[address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Clean up)
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bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com
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Mon Aug 5 15:00:37 CEST 2013
On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 12:52:13PM -0500, David Farmer wrote: > On 8/4/13 12:15 , Jan Ingvoldstad wrote: > >On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 6:48 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu > ><mailto:farmer at umn.edu>> wrote: > > > > I'm not introducing anything new, I'm objecting to the removal of > > something that has always been there, as are others. > > > > > >As I understand it, there has "always" been a requirement for need. I > >don't disagree that this is nothing new. > > > >However, you used the phrase "verified operational need", which is > >something different. > > > >I am a n00b in the RIPE community, so I have certainly not read > >everything there is, but from what I have seen, read and understand, > >this verification thing is new. > > If you wanted more than the minimum it was always necessary to provide a > story that passed a smell test. Also, if you wanted another batch of > numbers you always had to explain what did with the old ones you were > given, usually providing some data, much of the "bureaucracy" 2013-3 > wants to eliminate. > > Verified: 1. Make sure or demonstrate that (something) is true, > accurate, or justified. 2. Swear to or support (a statement) by affidavit. > > Justified: 1. Having, done for, or marked by a good or legitimate > reason. 2. Declared or made righteous in the sight of God. > > So, please tell me how "verified operational need" is that different. > If you would prefer justified or validated operational need. OK, what ever. > persuant to your comments and David Conrads contribution, I'd suggest that the "smell test" criteria has changed dramatically over the years. Nearly all the IPv4 space I have requested has passed the "verified operational need" using the Warren Buffet test. (he's a man of good character) These days it sometimes goes as far as explaining a business model, showing signed contracts, bank statements, customer lists and credit reports on clients. There is a argument to be made that RIRs have gone too far into delving into a request... boardering on harrassment and restraint of trade. Not saying that the Buffet test alone is good either. /bill
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