[address-policy-wg] [Ticket#2012092701011684] Sub-allocations - fast and simple re-using IP-addresses

LeaderTelecom B.V. wrote:

> Dear Gert,
> 
> Agree with your opinion regards RFC 2050.
> 
> Main idea this RFC: This document describes the registry system for the
> distribution of globally unique Internet address space and registry
> operations.
> 
> Goals:
> 
>>1. Conservation: Fair distribution of globally unique Internet address space
> 
> according to the
> 
>>operational needs of the end-users and Internet Service Providers operating
> 
> networks using this
> 
>>address space. Prevention of stockpiling in order to maximize the lifetime
> 
> of the Internet address
> 
>>space.
> 
> 
> This doesn't required anymore. While RIPE doesn't have free space for
> distributing.

I am sorry, but this is simply wrong.

The NCC still *does* have addresses (Ipv4) to distribute. that's the reason for
having all the "Last /8" stuff (an the bickering :-) )

There's also the provision for the IANA to re-distribute address blockas to
the RIRs, that get returned.

> It was very useful before and respect for people who wrote it while principes
> in this RFC were very useful long time.

IMHO, they are still as appropriate now as they were from the beginning.

> But for now it looks as deprecated and
> not updated.

I do agree with regard to the "not updated".
Anyone is free to start the process of updating or replacing an RFC, though.

> Some words from RFC which looks like depriceated:
> 
> ...Currently there are three regional IRs established;
>       InterNIC serving North America, RIPE NCC serving Europe, and AP-
>       NIC serving the Asian Pacific region...
> 
> ...3.2  Network Engineering Plans..
> 
>       2.  a description of the network topology
> 
>       3.  a description of the network routing plans, including the
>           routing protocols to be used as well as any limitations..
> 
> --
> Kind regards,
> Alexey Ivanov
> LeaderTelecom B.V. Team
> 
> URL: [1]http://www.LeaderTelecom.nl/ - IP- addresses
> URL: [2]http://www.GetWildcard.com/nl - WildCard SSL certificates
> 
> 11.10.2012 17:46 - Gert Doering написал(а):
>  Hi,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 03:27:48PM +0200, Wilfried Woeber wrote:
> 
>>Gert Doering wrote:
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>There are traces of needs-based still present in the system
>>
>>AFAIK RFC2050 still is in effect.
>>
>>All more recent suggestions to get it modified or retired were not
> 
> successful.
> 
>>I got to understand that messing around with it [c|w]ould have far-reaching
>>unwanted consequences for the whole IP Address Distribution System.
> 
> 
> Like we have Addresses to Distribute :-) - the IPv4 run-out has fairly
> fundamental consequences for the environment in which we operate, and
> at least one of the pillars of RFC2050 ("conservation") is not exactly
> relevant anymore.

I disagrre. If your statement would be true, then we wouldn't need the L/8
stuff to begin with. The community seems to (still) think otherwise.

> I consider RFC2050 a very useful document to establish principles, but it
> can not be binding - and in doubt, the bottom-up community based process
> will win.
> 
> Gert Doering
>         -- APWG chair
> --
> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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Wilfried