[address-policy-wg] Re: [arin-ppml] Offer to buy IP address block (was Spectrum and IPaddress reservations)

Chris and all,

  Well in respect to your "Funny" link.  Thank god I won't have
a similar number of wives anytime soon!  >;)

Chris Grundemann wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 09:18, <michael.dillon at bt.com> wrote:
> >
> >> More specifically, in this context I think that the tendency
> >> to assume that market mechanisms would infallibly convert the
> >> fact/existence/ supply of additional loose (de-assignable,
> >> transferable, etc.) IPv4 into the enduring condition of
> >> greater openness to aspiring new entrants is based on the
> >> widespread (mis)perception of individual IPv4 addresses and
> >> prefixes as "things" (assets, commodities, etc.), when in
> >> fact they actually represent something more like discrete
> >> instances of a "generalized  privilege"  or "license" (as in
> >> "creative license"
> >> even more than "driver's license").
> >
> > The minimum ARIN allocation to a new ISP is currently a /20.
> > Someone recently offered an American ISP 6 figures for a
> > /20 block that was acquired as part of a corporate acquisition.
> > The ISP declined the offer and returned the block to ARIN.
> >
> > This could mean that the value of a /20 on the open market is
> > 100,000 USD. Since a /20 has 16 /24 equivalents in it, that would
> > place the value of a /24 at 6250 USD.
>
> http://xkcd.com/605/
>
> > According to
> > <https://www.arin.net/knowledge/statistics/>
> > in the first 6 months of 2009, ARIN issued 99,285 /24 equivalents
> > to ISPs. That means that ARIN issued 620,531,250 USD worth
> > of IP addresses. Over the course of 2009 we can expect some
> > 1.2 billion dollars worth of IPv4 addresses to be allocated
> > to ISPs, or $103 million per month.
> >
> > Where is the industry going to find 1.2 billion dollars to sustain
> > growth of the network after IPv4 runout? And where is a new entrant
> > going to find $100,000 to buy their first allocation, assuming that
> > the price doesn't rise even higher when the free alternative no
> > longer exists?
> >
> > Will the prices in Europe be any different than in America?
> > Why?
> >
> > --Michael Dillon
> >
> > P.S. note that there are more predictable costs to an ISP
> > in deploying either carrier-grade NAT or transitioning to IPv6.
> > How will this impact IP address block prices and why?
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