[address-policy-wg] Mandating NAT toward the final /8
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Garry Glendown
garry at nethinks.com
Thu Jul 16 16:16:36 CEST 2009
Masataka Ohta wrote: > I have written an Internet Draft to explain end to end NAT. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ohta-e2e-nat-00 > > You can see the only reason to deploy IPv6 to keep the freedom of > end to end transparency is now non-exsitent. > > So, to keep IPv4 until we are ready with something much better > than IPv6, why not mandate some form of NAT, legacy, end to > end or whatever. > > Masataka Ohta > > PS > > First thing we should do is to make initial PA allocation /24 and > reduce the number of IP addresses allocated to an end user by > 1/256 or so. > Please say you don't really mean this and it's just a joke you're playing on the Internet community ... NAT has been a kludge from the beginning, and now you try to "fix" the low availability of IPv6-capable hardware (which is finally starting to pick up a bit) by implementing yet another, even worse kludge? And what's that, "ready with something much better than IPv6"? Heck, it took much too long for working v6-equipement already, with even large vendors not having implemented it completely and reliably ... you mean to tell folks now to flush 10+ years of work down the drain, just because you have the "miracle cure" against (temporary) IPv4 shortage, and we now have another 10-20 years until we _REALLY_ run out of IPs? (please check on the time it usually takes standards committees to pass something like a new protocol, e.g. how long it took to get IPv6 standardized ...) Also, I don't see where your E2E really fixes reachability issues that current NAT has. Sure, it may fix the multiple-port problems of current NAT (which is already fixed by decent firewalls) Apart from that, your draft requires changes in both the gateways AND the applications --- do you honestly believe that _that_ can be implemented decently before IPv4 exhaustion? But maybe I'm just too stupid to see the genius behind your proposal ... -garry
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