[address-policy-wg] Suggestion: charging for IPv4 space

Michael and all,

  My remarks and response interspersed below Michaels...

michael.dillon at bt.com wrote:

> > 1. Introducing a *recurrent annual* cost-element to IPv4
> > addresses, the reason behind it being: making v6 cheaper to
> > run than v4. This could be a small cost to start with,
> > increasing significantly but steadily along a scale for the
> > next few years.
>
> And what would RIPE do with all of this extra money? If there
> is no good reason to spend this money, then many LIRs will
> simply not pay the fees and instead charge RIPE with
> violation of section 6 of the Dutch Competition Act.

  If the dog had'nt stopped to relieve himself, he would have cought
the rabbit.  Moral here is that all the money should be allocated
effectively so that section 6 of the Dutch Competition Act, which
I just looked up, will not be a factor.

>
>
> > If we do not make IPv6 more interesting financially, we risk
> > failure to transit smoothly.
>
> I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe this.

Others, as you know have...

>
>
> > I am trying to look for a solution which will ease the shock
> > by instead smoothly raising prices.
>
> Shocks are not necessarily bad because they make people act
> instead of sitting on their hands.

True enough at times.  Businesses sometimes need shocks to
get them off the dime as it were.

>
>
> > I don't believe in self-regulation by the market - it opens
> > itself to serious abuse, in the same way Wall Street bankers
> > abused the system and look where this led us?
>
> Then you don't believe in RIPE. Maybe you should be talking
> to the European Commission instead of us.

This is hopefully not truely what RIPE believes in.  Market forces
are always a factor, sometimes a big factor, and sometimes not
a big factor.  Self regulation on a national or global scale without
boundires and hard and fast rules or regulations with government
involvment, is unrealistic at best, ergo your refrence above to
section 6 of the Dutch Competition Act...  Sorry Micahel, but
you argued yourself in a circle this time around...

>
>
> --Michael Dillon

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