[address-policy-wg] do IP addresses have a financial value?
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Jeffrey A. Williams
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
Thu Oct 9 02:57:05 CEST 2008
Marshall and all, I wouldn't know actually. But thanks for the concern and consideration regardless. >:) Marshall Eubanks wrote: > On Oct 8, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Jeffrey A. Williams wrote: > > > Jim and all, > > > > I must agree with Jim here. I can say that our IPv8 addresses > > have for whatever reason become extremely valuable, as discrete > > offers for IPv8 address space I am getting has in two months, > > jumped by 3x. Of course we never sell IPv8 address space, > > as our policies only allocate based on demonstrated need > > and time to full usage. > > > > Indeed. Jim Fleming must be proud. > > Regards > Marshall > > > Jim Reid wrote: > > > >> On 9 Oct 2008, at 08:28, Andy Davidson wrote: > >> > >>> Addressing doesn't have latent worth right now because as an LIR > >>> with a justifiable need, I can beg resources from a hostmaster, at > >>> no (or a small marginal - if billing score is implicated) direct > >>> cost. > >> > >> I'm not convinced by that argument Andy and IMO it's unlikely to > >> stand > >> up to scrutiny by an auditor or the tax authorities. The two of us > >> could agree to trade some commodity and claim that what was traded > >> had > >> no value. That doesn't make it so in the eyes of the taxman or our > >> company auditors. > >> > >> In some respects IPv4 space today has parallels with .com stock > >> options. [Remember them?] At the point of acquisition they had a > >> marginal value -- "fair" market price -- that was close to zero. Most > >> stayed there or depreciated. :-( But when the circumstances were > >> right, the options became very valuable and those holding them got > >> rich. > >> > >>> I therefore can't trade any of these address resources because > >>> others can do the same. This means that today the addresses have no > >>> value. > >> > >> Just because someone can't or doesn't want to trade something doesn't > >> mean it has no value. We know that there have been examples where > >> companies have merged or been acquired for the address space they > >> held > >> and that space determined the price of the transaction. And there > >> is a > >> grey market in address space outside the RIR system. Which implies > >> that addresses do have a value. > > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827
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