[address-policy-wg] 2007-08 New Draft Document Published (Enabling Methods for Reallocation of IPv4 Resources)
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Jeffrey A. Williams
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
Wed Oct 8 03:08:07 CEST 2008
Michael and all, Michael, Leo is not particularly interested in consensus if the consenses actually disagrees with him. michael.dillon at bt.com wrote: > > Since this statement is very much obviously in the context of > > IPv6, why should it mention IPv4, or point out that > > "differently from the rest of the document, we're only > > talking about IPv6 here"? > > The IPv6 policy document was a global project so it reflects > the overall basis on which an IPv6 policy was started. In > other words, that statement about addresses not being freehold > property refers to IPv4 and says that IPv6 is just the same, > not freehold property which an organization can buy or sell. > > > I don't see a "huge lack of consensus". > > Count the messages in the Address Policy WG archive discussing > 2007-08 since June. That is what I consider to be a huge > lack of consensus. > > > Then I did see one individual waving the ETNO flag (which has > > no significance to RIPE policy processes, btw - it's > > "individuals taking part in the discussion" not "I represent > > a bigger organization that you"), fundamentally opposing > > anything, without being willing to start a constructive > > dialogue or listen to the proposer's arguments. > > > > Which is one of the big problems with the ETNO folks - they > > brew their statements outside the RIPE processes, and since > > the statements are already finished when they are presented > > here, they can't adjust their position. Which is not the way > > to constructively go about changing policies. > > This is not very constructive dialog and I am disturbed to see > a WG chair writing this kind of stuff. > > A. I did not wave the ETNO flag. I merely repeated one point that > ETNO had raised, along with one point from Eric Schmidt, one from > Jay Daley, and one from Per Heldal. All of these points come from > the message of Sander Steffann which he posted on June 13th and > for which I provided the URL in my first message. > > B. When you asked for specific issues I decided to clarify > with more than a reference to Sander's message. I pointed out > some specific issues which have not yet been resolved, and > which, I believe, cannot be resolved. > > C. Regardless of how ETNO reaches the positions in its position > papers, the fact is that they do publish them. This means that > we need to take them into consideration if we consider the RIPE > process to be open and transparent. I note that people from at > least two other ETNO members (France Telecom and Deutsche Telekom) > also posted to this list, i.e. they took part in the discussion. > Rather than insulting people because they happen to work for a > company which happens to be a member of ETNO, we should be making > greater attempts to engage them in the discussion here. I've > done a bit of that, which is why FT and DT have participated > a bit, but I believe that the main responsibility for bringing > people into the discussion falls on the WG chairs. > > The fact remains that you cannot reach a consensus without > an active discussion. > > --Michael Dillon Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827
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