Ownerless PI Revokation, was Re: [address-policy-wg] Revised 2007-01...

michael.dillon at bt.com wrote:
> Bottom line is that there are no operators of private networks
> who are not also operators of the Internet. 

I see no reason to believe this statement or to feel that it has any 
relevance to 2007-01.  PI number assignments are/were made on the basis of 
technical justification, not on the basis of whether they are used on the 
Internet (with a capital "I" - whatever that means).

> some way. An RIR registration gives you the right to use certain
> addresses, but it does not prohibit anybody else from using the
> same addresses. Same thing goes for AS numbers such as AS 54271.

An RIR does not give you a right to use address resources.  You have the 
right to use any address you want, where-ever you want.  You think I can't 
use BT address space on my lab network if I want to, along with AS5400?? 
Just you wait and see!

The RIRs are merely clearing-houses which state that if you abide by their 
rules, that they will also abide by their rules.  One of these rules states 
that if they associate certain addresses with your name, the RIR will not 
associate those addresses with anyone else's name.

The RIPE NCC is not the police, a deity or anything else.  It's merely an 
trusted third party registration agency.  And we are all just part of a 
community which benefits from agreeing to a consistent set of procedures 
which is maintained by the RIPE NCC.

> That is the core of my argument. Most people making policy change
> proposals are thinking only of the public Internet and are only
> trying to create something that helps ISPs.

Look, can we be quite clear here: 2007-01 makes no statement directly or 
indirectly about whether address resources are used on any particular 
network, whether that be the Internet-with-a-capital-I, your granny's wifi 
network at home or my BT-lookalike lab network.  It merely states that new 
and continued registration of certain types of provider independent address 
resources is contingent on entering into a direct or indirect contractual 
relationship with the RIPE NCC.  No more, no less.


Nick
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