[address-policy-wg] 2007-08 New Policy Proposal (Enabling Methods for Reallocation of IPv4 Resources)

Hi,

Max Tulyev schrieb:
> Because there is no such policy right now.
> Because it needs some time to develop that policy.
> And implement it. And enforce world to follow it.
> RIPE should become roting police, and they don't want.
> 
> As I understand, THERE IS NO .... WAY TO FORCE RECLAIM ANY DELEGATED
> ADDRESS SPACE NOW :)
> 
> And there is also no concrete ways and common policies even to enforce
> stop somebody starting announce YOUR address space. Sometime I think the
> first smart and assertive woodpecker will ruin the Net :(

that depends on what you mean by "RIPE" now - the NCC certainly does 
what the community/members want.
But if you mean the RIPE community, you're pretty right - of course 99% 
commercial thinking LIRs who certainly think a market is more appealing.
Heck, i have to pay my bills, too, so i even understand that in general.

A policy can be implemented really quickly, just see some of this years 
policy proposals. But not with all this commercial thinking people on 
here. That is why democracy sucks, it only works with a majority of 
competent people, not with a majoriy of incompetent, egoistic populists 
- just like in any democratic state, too :-)

I personally won't ever agree on any price tag on IP addresses, but as 
(commercial thinking) consultant i'm a realist and know this is already 
happening ("selling IP Addresess to customers") and it certainly will 
happen ("re-selling of Allocations").

But i always will raise my voice against any marketplace or anything. Of 
course, there is no veto right here unfortunately :-)
My position here is, the current policies are fine, all allocations and 
assignments should be need-based, forever. And RIR-resources (manpower) 
should be allocated on reclaiming unused space.

If the community would WANT the RIRs to be routing police, it would be 
possible to implement that in no time (in theory, in reality you have 
the legal problems with multiple countries).
But that's just not what is going to happen for the given reasons 
(egoism, incompetence, money...).

What i don't get is why we should make that EASY. As commercial thinking 
consultant i prefer the process to be very complicated so i get more 
money! </sarcasm>

What i'm saying here? I don't know, it's sunday. Just want my statement 
in the mail-archives so i can point to it later if my children ask me 
why their IT-startup can't get IPv4-addresses because only big companies 
who are able to pay 1000EUR/IPv4address get all of them and why i wasn't 
there back than, trying to prevent this marketplace-mess.
[again, a bit of sarcasm there, i don't hope that IPv4 is needed that 
badly anymore in 20years when my possible children possibly get into IT :-)]

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