[address-policy-wg] Proposal for change to the IPv4 PI allocation policy
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Max Tulyev
president at ukraine.su
Mon Aug 28 21:37:38 CEST 2006
Hi, I warn all my clients that PI (and any kind of their own) address space and/or AS is also a great responsibility. And they sure need a more qualified system administrator to rule it. If client asks for a help ("the Internet doesn't work") and rejects in help with doing some tests from its side - I say I can't help you in that case, goodbye. It is true as well for PI as for PA. Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 11:57:39PM +0400, Max Tulyev wrote: >> Gert Doering wrote: >>> With PA, you can debug from *your* network - with customer's PI, you >>> can't (normally) run probes (traceroute, ping) from *their* IP addresses >>> - and if your PA works, but their PI is filtered, this makes it harder >>> to debug. >> PI means that it is *not* your network administratively and technically. >> If customer have PI and AS - it is an independent part of Internet, and, >> in fact, not your just customer in usual terms. You don't go debug for >> example your downstream's and peer's networks as your, isn't it? > > You need to distinguish between "customers with their own network block, > their own AS number, BGP speaking routers, multiple upstreams, and local > clue" and "customers that want PI space because they don't want to > renumber when they change upstreams". > > The latter sort will want *you* to announce their PI for them, and if > there are any routing problems, yell at you because "the Internet doesn't > work". > > I have no issues with the former sort, especially when there is enough > local clue present. > >>> Furthermore, /24s tend to be damped more quickly and for longer times >>> than /16... >> Again, why? ;) > > Because flap dampening recommendations said so... > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO)
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