[address-policy-wg] Re: ICANN vs RIPE NCC, was Re: Summary of the PI ......

	Peter,

>> like other representative systems such as legislatures, the RIRs
>> have moved from being associations of their users to becoming
>> self-perpetuating governmental bureaucracies, who are not actually
>> users themselves, but speak for us, tell us what we think and
>> should do, and how we are being uncooperative and sneering.  but
>> at least the RIRs are not invading foreign countries and murdering
>> people, as my local governmental bureaucracy seems wont to do.
>
> I could not agree more. No, really. There is no way for anyone with
> 'opposing' views to make them heard in any relevant forum. Mailing 
> lists are
> not classed as official,

why not? There is now an entire WG set-up to discuss the performance 
and activities of the NCC. Feel free to join.

>  and unless you speak "bureauocratese" (as I have
> said before), you cannot be heard in any official forum.

Uhm, would you care to elaborate?

> I expect the overstaffed gravy train that is RIPE to continue 
> supporting
> it's implicit "jobs for friends and for life" policies to continue and 
> for
> us "members" to be expected to pay without any real voice.

This is not really a very professional nor constructive remark. I am 
sure you could move over to the ncc-services-wg mailinglist and explain 
your toughts on developing the NCC.

> Please don't bother telling me about "taking part" and "attending 
> meetings",
> I did that in the past, now I cannot be bothered wasting the airfare.

Then send text.

- kurtis -