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17 May 2018, 11:00-12:30
WG co-Chairs: Brian Nisbet, Tobias Knecht
Scribe: Emile Aben
Status: Final
The video archive is online at:
https://ripe76.ripe.net/archives/video/109
The chairs welcomed the room, and addressed the administrative matters.
Brian Nisbet was selected for another term as co-chair for this working group.
The video archive is online at:
https://ripe76.ripe.net/archives/video/111
The video archive is online at:
https://ripe76.ripe.net/archives/video/112
Brian summarised the discussions on the mailing list.
The video archive is available at:
https://ripe76.ripe.net/archives/video/113
There were no questions
The video archive is available at:
https://ripe76.ripe.net/archives/video/113
Alexander Isavnin (Internet Protection Society) asked for exact numbers and lacking these suggested to postpone decision.
Brian rejected this suggestion.
Julien Escario (Altinea) asked for more serious validations checks.
Brian said this was discussed already.
Jordi Palet Martinez (The IPv6 Company) considered starting a new policy proposal discussion, after this proposal reaching consensus, based on the proposal he submitted to other RIRs.
Piotr Strzyżewski (Silesian University of Technology, Computer Centre) asked about legacy resource holders.
Marco said legacy address space will not be part of this.
Piotr said email checking is tricky and used the example of putting [email protected] on arbitrary resources.
Brian said this was discussed on the mailing list.
Piotr said they will not know how much money this will cost.
Marco said that if 25% is incorrect, it will cause frustration to a lot of people.
Peter Koch (DENIC) asked for guarantees of the RIPE NCC's interpretation of the text and it not changing its mind.
Marco said the guarantee is in that things must be within the policy framework.
Peter Koch said the text allows for much harsher interpretation, and was not convinced this is good policy making.
Brian said that the RIPE NCC's interpretation at this point is as set as it can be.
Ruediger Volk (Deutsche Telekom) unravelled the discussion in three parts:
1) A technical question on how to validate email addresses, and he saw no obstacle on validating all contacts that are relevant
2) Consequences for incorrect email addresses
3) Fixing incorrect email addresses
Ruediger said fixing and checking emails could be considered a Database WG task, and was afraid that this work created the illusion of achievement.
Tobias Knecht (Abuseix) said 10-25% sounds a correct number for invalid mailboxes and he would be happy to write a proposal with Ruediger. Tobias added that the RIPE NCC is charged with running a clean and valid registry and legacy checking would also be no problem.
Brian summarised that no new information was brought to the discussion, and the proposal was still open for a few more days.
The video archive is available at:
https://ripe76.ripe.net/archives/video/117
Ruediger asked about the schema language, and answered that JSON doesn't have a schema language.
Ruediger suggested creating a list of tools for creating data in this format.
Tobias said that keeping the JSON as simple as possible as abuse handling is in essence simple.
Ruediger said was interested in the results of this effort that could be easily tracked and expressed doubt about the need for a MIME type for this.
Tobias said the MIME type discussion took place in other fora.
Tobias said he will connect the community doing this to the Anti-Abuse Working Group community.
Ruediger said it's essential to provide pointers to tools that use this.
The video archive is available at:
https://ripe76.ripe.net/archives/video/119
There were no questions.
There were no AOBs.
Brian closed the session.