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20040922 08:06:20 | CapnB@irc | moo
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20040922 08:09:55 | bruce@jabber | anyone here whose not at the meeting?  wondering how the webcast is sounding at home.
20040922 08:16:02 | bruce@jabber | starting with Peter Koch and the MARID aka M-Files update
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20040922 08:19:20 | Daniel Roesen@jabber | aha... here is the DNS wg. the jabber/irc page on www.ripe.net says "dn", not "dns"
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20040922 08:19:51 | joao@jabber | hello daniel
20040922 08:20:00 | Daniel Roesen@jabber | heya Joao, nice to meet you
20040922 08:21:57 | olaf@jabber | Reported the typo to our webmaster, thanks Daniel
20040922 08:23:04 | bruce@jabber | fixed already.
20040922 08:25:27 | CapnB@irc | ah ace, ringing's stopped.
20040922 08:25:36 | CapnB@irc | XML in dns. That's just evil.
20040922 08:34:08 | jlawrence@irc | sounds' a lot better - well done Bruce :)
20040922 08:36:39 | CapnB@irc | *nod*
20040922 08:37:33 | bruce@jabber | makes you wish for the trusting days of the 'net, when all of this wasn't needed.
20040922 08:38:07 | jlawrence@irc | some of us aren't really old enough to remember those days :)
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20040922 08:40:21 | bruce@jabber | patrik starting with txt vs other stuff.
20040922 08:40:22 | CapnB@irc | certainly does bruce
20040922 08:40:32 | CapnB@irc | paf's presentations are always good
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20040922 08:50:40 | bruce@jabber | david blacka starting with the crisp working group update.
20040922 08:51:36 | CapnB@irc | i want one of those t-shirts like wot paf's got
20040922 08:53:04 | bruce@jabber | personally I'll take an intelligent audio system
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20040922 09:01:27 | bruce@jabber | the unheard comment was manning with 'Whatever *I* can imagine?  I'm there'  (paraphrased)
20040922 09:02:38 | CapnB@irc | This is domain proxying isn't it - an extra link in the chain to break
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20040922 09:03:23 | bruce@jabber | icann whois data reminder policy
20040922 09:10:25 | bruce@jabber | if people care, they will keep their data up to date.
20040922 09:13:21 | bruce@jabber | Henk Uijterwaal starting with hostcount future.
20040922 09:13:45 | CapnB@irc | The thing is, people *don't* care. They just want their domain to work.
20040922 09:14:28 | CapnB@irc | Adverts in the UK Internet press at least all say "BUY YOUR CHEAP DOMAIN!" and don't actually mention "er if you don't keep your details up to date and disclosed then you'll get deleted".
20040922 09:14:31 | CapnB@irc | Most people *don't know*.
20040922 09:14:46 | bruce@jabber | its the small print, ja?
20040922 09:16:30 | bruce@jabber | oh, whats the delay between registering a domain, and getting spam to the dedicated email address you've got as a contact for the domain (for .uk) ?
20040922 09:17:35 | CapnB@irc | not sure about .uk
20040922 09:17:45 | CapnB@irc | but for .com it's been less than 24 hours before
20040922 09:17:57 | CapnB@irc | suspect the delay is more because of dns rebuilds than anything else
20040922 09:18:08 | CapnB@irc | Nominet don't actually reveal email addresses or new domains registered
20040922 09:19:29 | bruce@jabber | something that haven't considered is people having different dns views; wouldn't be surprised that some people offer this annoying hostcount.ripe.net machine a different zone than other machines would get.
20040922 09:21:30 | bruce@jabber | www.amsterdamned.org/~henk/hostcount.pdf
20040922 09:21:45 | CapnB@irc | Heh Bruce, I never thought of that.
20040922 09:23:40 | bruce@jabber | Peter Koch starting with hostcount
20040922 09:24:44 | bruce@jabber | current tool to do hostcount is approaching a month to do it, even with caching.
20040922 09:24:54 | CapnB@irc | jesus
20040922 09:25:30 | bruce@jabber | cache is ~30 gig of data, and disk corruption really affects the following counts :(
20040922 09:26:04 | CapnB@irc | corruption?!
20040922 09:26:25 | bruce@jabber | we had a UPS die back in april/may.
20040922 09:27:03 | rhe@jabber | rhe has become available
20040922 09:27:58 | bruce@jabber | which took out the machine, and garbage written over a number of zones.  shows up in the graphs if you know what you are looking for.
20040922 09:29:25 | CapnB@irc | blimey
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20040923 08:00:15 | koopal@irc | hmm pity, not all presentations on the web already :-(
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20040923 08:14:53 | Jay@jabber | Is Jim right here?  Is it protection of the root that matters not the k-root as an independent entity?
20040923 08:15:29 | koopal@irc | my opinion as well
20040923 08:15:51 | webmaster@jabber | Andre, most presentations should be on www right now
20040923 08:16:19 | koopal@irc | ok, I missed the one about k.root to start with
20040923 08:16:27 | webmaster@jabber | It's there now.
20040923 08:16:28 | koopal@irc | it makes it easier to follow over the webcast
20040923 08:16:53 | webmaster@jabber | right
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20040923 08:40:29 | bruce@irc | joao starting with isc update
20040923 08:40:46 | koopal@irc | use a mic please
20040923 08:41:09 | webmaster@jabber | Presentations at http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#dns
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20040923 08:46:52 | bruce@irc | hrm, pity jabber doesn't distinguish between disconnect and timeout.
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20040923 09:00:06 | bruce@irc | bin8 is faster than bind9 for root servers, but otherway around for some tlds.
20040923 09:00:38 | bruce@irc | ah, faster when the query pattern is predominantly for stuff that does exist, vs the root where most of the queries are crap.
20040923 09:00:46 | koopal@irc | how about bind 9 performance for ISP servers with lot's of small zones
20040923 09:01:09 | koopal@irc | as there are other servers then root and tld
20040923 09:01:13 | koopal@irc | (please relay)
20040923 09:01:24 | bruce@irc | most of the queries should be for stuff that does exist in that situation.
20040923 09:02:17 | CapnB@irc | r
20040923 09:03:44 | bruce@irc | hrm, not quite the answer you were after I think.
20040923 09:04:01 | koopal@irc | nope
20040923 09:05:13 | bruce@irc | certainly in the ncc situation, where we have a mix of zones (ccTLDs and lots of 'small' zones), bind9 does seem to go faster than bind8.
20040923 09:05:42 | CapnB@irc | at CentralNic we have the same experience
20040923 09:05:56 | koopal@irc | the offer to setup a test might be intresting, talking to our dns admins
20040923 09:06:13 | Jay@jabber | for .uk bind8 was faster than 9 but then we have just a few large zones. 
20040923 09:06:45 | bruce@irc | the key thing is 'when' was it faster.
20040923 09:07:26 | Jay@jabber | even with 9.2.x  Though the difference has reduced over time.
20040923 09:07:39 | CapnB@irc | Jay: CentralNic's got few large zones too, but b9 was faster. We're only serving NS records like you though. Be interested to see what the difference between both our NSen is/
20040923 09:09:15 | joao@jabber | joao has become available
20040923 09:09:31 | bruce@irc | thats a point.  particularly with joao being back ;)
20040923 09:10:34 | koopal@irc | joao: I asked the question about performance on servers with a lot of small zones
20040923 09:11:00 | koopal@irc | will talk to our dns admins about perhaps setting up some tests
20040923 09:11:08 | joao@jabber | yes. We would really like to have more details about your setup so that we can simulate it
20040923 09:11:20 | koopal@irc | will get back to you
20040923 09:11:43 | joao@jabber | we know that bind 8 is faster in some conditions, but bind9 is pretty decent in most conditions
20040923 09:11:47 | joao@jabber | and faster in some
20040923 09:12:09 | bruce@irc | by what you were saying, bind9 sucks at returning NXDOMAIN.
20040923 09:12:09 | joao@jabber | 9.4 will have a few nice performance features
20040923 09:12:24 | Jay@jabber | CapnB:  I guess we need to check our tests again.  But we should talk.
20040923 09:12:24 | joao@jabber | it pays a higher price for nxdomain than bind8 does
20040923 09:12:44 | joao@jabber | bind 9 has views and a lot more features and so there is extra work
20040923 09:12:54 | bruce@irc | 'damm, I knew I had that answer here somewhere, I'll look under the couch again'
20040923 09:13:02 | joao@jabber | in any case we run bind9 on F root and it has room to spare
20040923 09:15:37 | Jay@jabber | Joao:  From your presentation I got the impression 9.2.x not support dual-stacked operation?
20040923 09:17:40 | rhe@jabber | Works dual-stacked for us! (ja.net)  Need to look at what the new dual-stack-servers option is in 9.3.0 in case I'm misunderstanding the point. :)
20040923 09:18:16 | bruce@irc | it works for the ncc; multiple v4 and v6 addresses being handled.
20040923 09:18:39 | bruce@irc | actually, we run into os limitations regarding number of ip aliases first.
20040923 09:21:36 | koopal@irc | hmmm
20040923 09:21:44 | rhe@jabber | Ah, OK, the new dual-stack-servers option is for single-stack servers that need a gateway to perform queries on the other transport to avoid namespace fragmentation.  Is this correct?
20040923 09:21:46 | bruce@irc | david malone starting with aaaa lookup issue.
20040923 09:21:49 | koopal@irc | this presentation is in portrait on the website
20040923 09:22:02 | koopal@irc | going to turn my laptop I think :-)
20040923 09:22:03 | bruce@irc | we had to rotate it here as well.
20040923 09:22:16 | bruce@irc | ctrl+shift++
20040923 09:22:19 | bruce@irc | or something.
20040923 09:26:57 | bruce@irc | peter describing where to find the dns wg on the web.
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20040923 09:28:23 | joao@jabber | dual-stack: 9.2.x supports dual-stack. the dual stack option in 9.3 does something different
20040923 09:28:28 | koopal@irc | joao: just learned performance is more a problem with caching nameservers then authorative
20040923 09:28:48 | koopal@irc | and I think that relates back to the NXDOMAIN issue
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20040923 10:01:07 | bruce@irc | dns about to start.
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20040923 10:01:44 | koopal@irc | hmm, no slides from jaap's presentation?
20040923 10:01:45 | joao@jabber | joao has become available
20040923 10:01:51 | bruce@irc | damm, can't radio the office.
20040923 10:02:16 | koopal@irc | to much distance?
20040923 10:02:21 | joao@jabber | yes, caching performance is lower than for B8
20040923 10:02:47 | joao@jabber | but you get better control over the cache with B9
20040923 10:02:55 | bruce@irc | too much stuff like the lifts in the way.
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20040923 10:20:39 | bruce@irc | jaap starting with sidewinder report.
20040923 10:20:42 | bruce@irc | sitefinder.
20040923 10:23:33 | bruce@irc | 15 sep 2003 verisign inserted the wildcard to point to their sitefinder service.
20040923 10:23:56 | bruce@irc | response swift and vocal, resulting in suspension of wildcard.
20040923 10:24:44 | bruce@irc | blurring of engineering and architectural layers.
20040923 10:26:18 | bruce@irc | (alarm just went off outside dns room, rather odd)
20040923 10:27:28 | riku@irc | no one bothered at all :)
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20040923 10:35:34 | bruce@irc | any questions for Jaap?
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20040923 10:38:59 | riku@irc | bruce is starting
20040923 10:39:40 | riku@irc | http://rosie.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-dns-stats.pdf
20040923 10:40:35 | webmaster@jabber | You can replace 'rosie' with 'www' if you are outside the meeting area
20040923 10:53:07 | bruce@irc | carsten strotmann starting with men&mice monitoring
20040923 10:53:49 | koopal@irc | hmm, talk from jaap about ns.eu.net was canceled?
20040923 10:55:23 | bruce@irc | yes, probably appear next ripe meeting.  was dropped to make space for olaf.
20040923 10:55:49 | bruce@irc | (according to jim)
20040923 10:56:42 | koopal@irc | ok
20040923 10:58:08 | koopal@irc | thanks for asking
20040923 11:03:54 | koopal@irc | hmm, this is not handy for over the webcast with sound only ...
20040923 11:05:33 | rhe@jabber | Unofficially: try http://dhcp-9-122.ripemtg.ripe.net:8080/
20040923 11:05:58 | webmaster@jabber | webmaster has left
20040923 11:06:21 | rhe@jabber | Sorry, needs password.  Ah well. :-)
20040923 11:07:36 | bruce@irc | wonder who calls their machine 'handbag'
20040923 11:08:09 | peter@jabber | me :)
20040923 11:08:59 | bruce@irc | ...  oh dear.
20040923 11:09:09 | bruce@irc | ;)
20040923 11:10:20 | koopal@irc | let them use a mic please
20040923 11:10:54 | bruce@irc | there is a general cry of 'mic' each time someone doesn't.
20040923 11:11:13 | koopal@irc | ok, thanks
20040923 11:15:49 | bruce@irc | joint dns and v6?  gar.
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20040923 11:18:18 | bruce@irc | thanks to all,shows over. ;0
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