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[ripe-list] Call for input on all virtual RIPE 81

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Hans Petter Holen

2020-05-28 07:31:16 CET

At the meeting with RIPE Working group chairs on 20 May we discussed my
original plan to decide on RIPE 81 as soon as the new RIPE Chair
is appointed, but no later than the end of June. The consensus following
the discussion the topic was that it would be unreasonable to expect the
next RIPE Chair and vice-Chair to be able to take this decision just after
the appointment. The PC and WG Chairs will use the upcoming weeks to
discuss this, and your input is highly appreciated.

The RIPE NCC Executive board meets on 16 June, and I would like to make the
decision already at that time.

While it is a decision on the location of a RIPE meeting is made by the
RIPE Chair together with the RIPE NCC, it is also a responsibility of the
RIPE NCC MD and Executive board to take the safety and employees arranging
the meeting into account.

Please let me know your thoughts by Friday, 12 June.

Sincerely,
Hans Petter Holen
RIPE ad-interim Chair
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Niall O'Reilly

2020-05-28 17:07:06 CET

On 28 May 2020, at 6:31, Hans Petter Holen wrote:

> Please let me know your thoughts by Friday, 12 June. 

If the decision is for another all-virtual RIPE meeting,
I'ld appreciate it if the otherwise excellent service provider
were pressed to make their service available over IPv6.

Niall

---

```
; <<>> DiG 9.16.3 <<>> AAAA ripe.zoom.us
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 52819
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ripe.zoom.us.			IN	AAAA

;; ANSWER SECTION:
ripe.zoom.us.		300	IN	CNAME	www.zoom.us.
www.zoom.us.		300	IN	CNAME	zoom.us.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
zoom.us.		867	IN	SOA	ns-1137.awsdns-14.org. 
awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com. 1 7200 900 1209600 86400

;; Query time: 191 msec
;; SERVER: 10.0.0.10#53(10.0.0.10)
;; WHEN: Thu May 28 15:50:54 IST 2020
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 158
```
---
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Randy Bush

2020-05-28 19:08:26 CET

hans petter:

while i would really really like to see old friends; we're talking
about risk to human life.  please be extremely conservative.

[ damn!  i am sure i left my doctorste in viral epidemiology around
  here somewhere. ]

randy

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Paul Hoogsteder

2020-05-28 19:11:04 CET

What Randy said.

> On 28 May 2020, at 19:08, Randy Bush <randy _at_ psg _dot_ com> wrote:
> 
> hans petter:
> 
> while i would really really like to see old friends; we're talking
> about risk to human life.  please be extremely conservative.
> 
> [ damn!  i am sure i left my doctorste in viral epidemiology around
>  here somewhere. ]
> 
> randy
> 

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Andy Davidson

2020-05-28 19:38:43 CET

Hans Petter wrote: 
> your input is highly appreciated.

The RIPE meeting is usually quite good for remote-attendance options, but since everyone was remote for '80, the setup was *excellent*.  Thank you for that.

It was great to be able to relay questions through the chairs into sessions but I would love to see the questioner and also encourage conversation after some of the presentations.  Please consider a setup to allow a questioner to ask the question themselves via video link as well as retaining the relay option? I'd be happy to participate in a community test of such a system.

We must also be slightly aware that even if it is possible for '81 to have a host location and some physically present people, it will not be possible for delegates in some territories to attend because of local viral control measures.  The same might be true for '82, and '83 and so on, though hopefully less.  Please consider what a hybrid format with a lot of people in one place and a lot of people remote could be like.

Again the RIPE NCC ops and meeting teams, and also the RIPE WG collective/PC all demonstrated the gold standard in what a community meeting looks like during '80 - thanks to them.

Andy

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Joe Abley

2020-05-28 19:53:26 CET

On 28 May 2020, at 13:38, Andy Davidson <andy _at_ nosignal _dot_ org> wrote:

> Hans Petter wrote: 
>> your input is highly appreciated.
> 
> The RIPE meeting is usually quite good for remote-attendance options, but since everyone was remote for '80, the setup was *excellent*.  Thank you for that.
> 
> It was great to be able to relay questions through the chairs into sessions but I would love to see the questioner and also encourage conversation after some of the presentations.  Please consider a setup to allow a questioner to ask the question themselves via video link as well as retaining the relay option? I'd be happy to participate in a community test of such a system.

I like this observation. It helps put a human face on a question and to feel more like you're in the middle of a community working together to have different voices phrase different questions, rather than having a single voice relay them from typed text.

I think it was a nice feature of RIPE 80 that people didn't have to feel self-conscious or intimidated by the idea of speaking in front of a crowd of people, though, as I have often heard is the case during sessions at in-person meetings. Perhaps there is an advantage in having both options available, if it can be done in a streamlined way without too much extra work for session moderators.

For what it's worth I also really like seeing people in their home environment on camera. It also adds to the informality and makes events feel more human. Every time a rogue cat or child makes a cameo appearance in a business meeting, my day gets a little bit better.


Joe


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Barry O'Donovan

2020-05-28 20:46:47 CET

Hans, all,

congratulations to the RIPE NCC and all involved in the RIPE community 
on hosting RIPE 80 virtually. It seemed like a success overall and 
certainly to me.

I think the prudent decision for any meeting for the rest of 2020 is to 
just bite the bullet, remove the doubt and go virtual again. Then 
reassess for 2021.

Lastly, with all due respect to Niall and no actual knowledge of Zoom's 
network: I imagine Zoom is undergoing unprecedented hockey-stick growth 
after seemingly becoming the defacto virtual communications platform in 
our new Covid-19 world. Speaking with my network engineer hat on, please 
don't badger them right now with "you must support IPv6". Let's put it 
on the list for 2021, they have enough on their plates right now. And I 
say this as a long-time strong and vocal IPv6 advocate.

  - Barry


Niall O'Reilly wrote on 28/05/2020 16:07:
> On 28 May 2020, at 6:31, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
> 
>     Please let me know your thoughts by Friday, 12 June.
> 
> If the decision is for another all-virtual RIPE meeting,
> I'ld appreciate it if the otherwise excellent service provider
> were pressed to make their service available over IPv6.
> 
> Niall
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> |; <<>> DiG 9.16.3 <<>> AAAA ripe.zoom.us ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got 
> answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 52819 ;; 
> flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT 
> PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 ;; QUESTION 
> SECTION: ;ripe.zoom.us. IN AAAA ;; ANSWER SECTION: ripe.zoom.us. 300 IN 
> CNAME www.zoom.us. www.zoom.us. 300 IN CNAME zoom.us. ;; AUTHORITY 
> SECTION: zoom.us. 867 IN SOA ns-1137.awsdns-14.org. 
> awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com. 1 7200 900 1209600 86400 ;; Query time: 
> 191 msec ;; SERVER: 10.0.0.10#53(10.0.0.10) ;; WHEN: Thu May 28 15:50:54 
> IST 2020 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 158 |
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------


-- 

Kind regards,
Barry O'Donovan

Open Solutions
http://www.opensolutions.ie/



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Niall O'Reilly

2020-05-28 21:30:54 CET

On 28 May 2020, at 19:46, Barry O'Donovan wrote:

> Lastly, with all due respect to Niall and no actual knowledge of 
> Zoom's network: I imagine Zoom is undergoing unprecedented 
> hockey-stick growth after seemingly becoming the defacto virtual 
> communications platform in our new Covid-19 world. Speaking with my 
> network engineer hat on, please don't badger them right now with "you 
> must support IPv6". Let's put it on the list for 2021, they have 
> enough on their plates right now. And I say this as a long-time strong 
> and vocal IPv6 advocate.

Fair enough, Barry. Badgering them with "you must support IPv6" wasn't 
what I had in mind.
If they were asked, and replied that they had it on their roadmap for 
2021, I wouldn't
complain.

/Niall

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Randy Bush

2020-05-28 21:40:15 CET

Re Zoom

> Fair enough, Barry. Badgering them with "you must support IPv6" wasn't
> what I had in mind.
> If they were asked, and replied that they had it on their roadmap for
> 2021, I wouldn't complain.

two things higher on my list for zoom

  security, which they addressing in an exemplary manner

  lotso servers outside of noam, status not known by me

randy

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Jaap Akkerhuis

2020-05-28 23:24:45 CET

 Randy Bush writes:

 >   lotso servers outside of noam, status not known by me

They have servers in Europe, at least that is what I see ik meetings
overhere. As far as I understand the host/organiser can specify
which data center (and thus where) to use..

	jaap