Minutes from RIPE 47

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Minutes of the Routing Working Group held at RIPE 47, Amsterdam, 
Tuesday, 27th January 2004, 16:00 - 17.30.

Session 1:

 * Administrivia 
    (Joao Damas)

        Chair:                  Joao Damas
        Scribe:                 Arife Vural, RIPE NCC
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 * RISwhois - mapping IP to ASN using RIS collected BGP data
   (Rene Wilhelm)

        A new interface to data collected by RIS project. That allows
        IP address matching to AS number.

        Questions:

        "Are withdrawals and updates are counted?" RIB data is used.
        
        "All AS are listed?" Yes

        "How do you handle AS-set?" It is recorded and it's listed as
        different objects.


 * IGP Fast Convergence in a ISP Backbone
   (Clarence Filsfils)

        This case study is about the convergence of IS-IS protocol and comes up 
        with some suggestion how to get a better convergence time.

        Questions:

        "Was there propagation delay?" Comeback on few slides. In the study 
        case, we do not have to many hopes because of that you do not have 
        much propagation delay.

        "Which one is prioritized?" /32 is first converged, and then the rest.

 * Operator Experience from IS-IS Convergence Tuning
   (Henrik Villfoer)

        This study is done over TeliaSonera network. Motivation for such a 
        study is to get a fast convergence time like 1 sec for time sensitive 
        new IP services and see the limit of the protocol, IS-IS. Mostly
        Cisco products are used.

        Questions:

        "How many LSP do they have?" More than a hundred.
        
        "Suggestion tune the closes max time."

        "It would be more interesting if there would be more info about 
        flooding loops."
        
 * IP Fast Convergence Project
   (Nicolas Dubois / Benoit Fondeviole)

        France Telecom R&D did  this study to how to improve IP convergence 
        in various protocols. Also did study how to solve the problems
        they had in L2TP tunnels, and MPLS/VPN.

        Questions:

        "What do you mean by L2TP is used for INTERNET aggregation?"

        "When you say the converge problems on MPLS/VPN convergence
        problems you refer to which kind of problems?" BGP next-hopt change
        and NTP.

        "How is one update make a such change on BGP convergence?" Update 
        to change the FIB.

 * AOB

        There is no other business.