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20061005 12:06:29 | Belle@jabber | Hi, my name is Isabel Pinto-Coelho Sena from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make sure your questions are as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
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20061005 12:11:38 | cybes@irc | hmm.. not sure.. shall I try for co-chair again?
20061005 12:11:44 | cybes@irc | hmm.. not sure
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20061005 12:24:24 | master@irc | of course we don't trust LIRs
20061005 12:24:53 | Remco-16243@irc | you shouldn't :)
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20061005 12:27:54 | iljitsch@jabber | Everyone thinks they're special. That's how you get large routing tables.
20061005 12:28:20 | Remco-16243@irc | in a way, everybody is, of course
20061005 12:30:08 | master@irc | sure, everyone is, especially me
20061005 12:31:37 | Remco-16243@irc | not more than me you're not :)
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20061005 12:37:30 | master@irc | so
20061005 12:39:20 | pheldal@jabber | PIv6 may be unavoidable some time in the future, but it's premature to implement it now
20061005 12:39:43 | iljitsch@jabber | right. especially since the IETF is working on an alternative with shim6
20061005 12:39:51 | pheldal@jabber | V6 at present makes me think of GOSIP 15 years ago
20061005 12:39:53 | master@irc | wrong, do it now, or keep with .1% of IPv6 traffic for the next 10years
20061005 12:40:03 | pheldal@jabber | pushed by the same people
20061005 12:40:20 | iljitsch@jabber | master: false dichotomy, that's not the choice
20061005 12:40:23 | pheldal@jabber | govts doing product development
20061005 12:41:17 | master@irc | iljitsch: no, i want to start to sell IPv6 now :)
20061005 12:41:58 | pheldal@jabber | I'm all for v6 and other progress, but real market analysis say there's no interest now
20061005 12:42:07 | iljitsch@jabber | Your short-time gain in sales isn't worth the long-time pain we get from creating an IPv6 swampt
20061005 12:42:15 | pheldal@jabber | businesses don't ask for v6
20061005 12:42:24 | pheldal@jabber | residential users don't ask for it
20061005 12:42:33 | iljitsch@jabber | People aren't going to deploy IPv6 en masse if they can do PI any more than they are doing now.
20061005 12:42:50 | pheldal@jabber | there's no application to drive deployment
20061005 12:42:59 | master@irc | i have no pain with big routing tables
20061005 12:43:04 | pheldal@jabber | v4 can cope for a few more years
20061005 12:43:08 | master@irc | if i can't pay for bigger routers, there's something wrong
20061005 12:43:26 | master@irc | business do, gouvernments do,