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(delegations vs voip providers) 20040923 13:41:17 | bruce@jabber | jay - wouldn't mix analogies though (RIRs aren't in the same space as TLDs) 20040923 13:42:08 | bruce@jabber | tony holmes: check understanding - if a telco didn't want to play with enum, the only way its customers could do enum is to change telco. 20040923 13:44:17 | bruce@jabber | niell o'reilly: do see a certain elegance in this approach. 20040923 13:44:24 | Jay@jabber | bruce: with enum they may well be in the enum space in many cases 20040923 13:46:41 | bruce@jabber | woody: is there some recurring service that the tsp is providing? 20040923 13:47:09 | bruce@jabber | js: seperate tsp in role of registrar (and registry) 20040923 13:50:16 | bruce@jabber | alex bligh: observation; lot of this seems to rely on a competitive telco market with few barriers to portability and/or entry. 20040923 13:54:47 | bruce@jabber | dti presentation with someone who eventually says he is simon hicks (sh) 20040923 13:56:49 | bruce@jabber | 'ensure open and fair competition because the enum tree in dns is a monopoly' 20040923 14:00:48 | riku@irc | only tier1 is monopoly 20040923 14:01:50 | bruce@jabber | rowte 20040923 14:03:48 | bruce@jabber | hrm, no whois lookup. 20040923 14:04:15 | bruce@jabber | wouldn't mind a 'valid/not valid' lookup. 20040923 14:04:33 | huggie@irc | Won't the existence of a record do that? 20040923 14:05:13 | bruce@jabber | (whats his trouble with saying enum?) 20040923 14:05:37 | bruce@jabber | huggie - not always. 20040923 14:05:45 | CapnB@irc | e e e e e e enumnumnumnumnuuuuuuuuuuuumnumnum 20040923 14:05:47 | CapnB@irc | told you 20040923 14:05:49 | CapnB@irc | he's max headroom 20040923 14:06:06 | bruce@jabber | no questions. 20040923 14:06:20 | bruce@jabber | aaaananananany other business? 20040923 14:06:33 | paf@jabber | paf has left 20040923 14:07:23 | will@irc | will has left the channel. 20040923 14:07:30 | huggie@irc | huggie has left the channel. 20040923 14:07:35 | evilmarq@irc | evilmarq has left the channel. 20040923 14:07:45 | Noodles@irc | Noodles has left the channel. 20040923 14:08:21 | Jay@jabber | Jay has left 20040923 14:08:35 | bruce@jabber | bruce has left 20040923 14:08:55 | rhe@jabber | rhe has left 20040923 14:09:29 | riku@irc | riku quit IRC altogether 20040923 14:11:12 | ian@jabber | ian has left 20040923 14:11:25 | CapnB@irc | CapnB quit IRC altogether 20040923 14:38:20 | paf@jabber | paf has become available 20040923 14:41:53 | paf@jabber | paf has left 20040923 14:43:07 | willem@jabber | willem has left 20040923 14:55:24 | webmaster@jabber | webmaster has left 20040923 15:16:25 | RobL@irc | RobL has left the channel.