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20040127 13:12:25 | mally@irc | liking the ripe ncc to an orange..
20040127 13:12:27 | mally@irc | smooth..
20040127 13:18:26 | evilmark@irc | apples are smooth. oranges are more dimpled.
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20040127 13:24:54 | koopal@irc | nice picture
20040127 13:27:19 | mally@irc | the powerpoint slides are extremely difficult to read..
20040127 13:28:06 | dfk@jabber | *dfk* dfk has become available
20040127 13:28:29 | ww144@jabber | <ww144> difficult to read - where: on the net, or in general?
20040127 13:29:17 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> i'll relay questions by remote people
20040127 13:29:20 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> on the webcast? we're converting from 1024x768 or hlgher to 320x200.
20040127 13:29:27 | mally@irc | on the webcast..
20040127 13:29:31 | mally@irc | its like the text is 'shaking'
20040127 13:30:23 | ww144@jabber | <ww144> actally the quality of the local projection is bad, too. looks like interference to me...
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20040127 13:33:08 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> local isn't shaking or bad.
20040127 13:33:18 | mally@irc | the ripe ncc colours of blue on white is good tho
20040127 13:33:26 | mally@irc | that juniper guys earlier was bad...
20040127 13:33:45 | ww144@jabber | <ww144> no, not shaking, but not clear and crisp
20040127 13:35:33 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> Anybody in here that is not at the plenary room?
20040127 13:35:55 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> (and in need of proxy scribe)
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20040127 13:37:03 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> Henk starts his presentation
20040127 13:37:07 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> I'm hopping between the two,but L'mjos weird.
20040127 13:37:29 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> and cfomsy with this stylvs :)
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20040127 13:37:47 | mally@irc | you talking in another language, bruce?
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20040127 13:40:02 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> ww: ok, the bottom ofthe screen gets fuzzy
20040127 13:42:45 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> there is a video (vga) bandwidt problem, i see shadow images in the local projection
20040127 13:42:56 | marcoh@irc | what's with the beamer ?
20040127 13:43:48 | kurtis@irc | I think it's the screen saver on Henks laptop?
20040127 13:43:49 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> i think it is in the cabling and switch box closer to the laptoys
20040127 13:43:52 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> So what is the difference between the highest and the lowest placed box?
20040127 13:44:05 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> 3 km?
20040127 13:46:11 | mally@irc | the lighter text on his presentation is illegible on the webcast..
20040127 13:46:45 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> i am getting dizzy from the graphics as viewn locally thru the beamer
20040127 13:47:38 | koopal@irc | would it be an idea to have the presentations on the internet before the meeting, so you can look at them via a webbrowser or something like that?
20040127 13:47:59 | kurtis@irc | you mean that people would not write them in the bar the night before?
20040127 13:48:00 | koopal@irc | disadvantage is that they should be ready before the meeting
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20040127 13:48:17 | koopal@irc | kurtis: hand them of before the meeting at least :-)
20040127 13:48:21 | mally@irc | koopal, in my experience, a lot of people are changing them right as they walk up to the podium..
20040127 13:48:32 | koopal@irc | true
20040127 13:48:37 | ww144@jabber | *ww144* ww144 has become available
20040127 13:48:39 | mally@irc | it's something we tried to do at ripe46, but gave up on for that reason...
20040127 13:48:40 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> yep but they can upload them at that moment
20040127 13:48:53 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> and some do!
20040127 13:48:55 | mally@irc | :D
20040127 13:49:20 | koopal@irc | stroboscoop :-(
20040127 13:49:25 | mally@irc | it would be nice too if you could enforce some kind of um.. layout guide.. so you get webcast friendly colours...
20040127 13:49:39 | marcoh@irc | put a ftp site up, people can upload and you can use 1 pc instead of plugging in laptops all the time
20040127 13:50:17 | koopal@irc | ahh, loose cable
20040127 13:50:35 | mally@irc | marcoh, we tried that at ripe46 too, and it was fairly successful..
20040127 13:50:41 | mally@irc | i dont know what they are doing this time..
20040127 13:50:52 | mally@irc | and i must stop saying 'we'.. given i dont work there now..
20040127 13:51:02 | evilmark@irc | 'activity in the services room'
20040127 13:51:08 | kurtis@irc | there is a ftp site now as as well
20040127 13:51:13 | marcoh@irc | it will disappear slowly is my experience
20040127 13:51:30 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> questions?
20040127 13:51:51 | marcoh@irc | fixed layout would be nice, or a style-guide
20040127 13:52:03 | koopal@irc | kurtis: but not known for people following the webcast
20040127 13:52:36 | mally@irc | marcoh, the best place to suggest your ideas is probably ripecast :) www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripecast
20040127 13:52:43 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> Joao asks: New documents for TTM where presented but how does this reflect DFKs proposal that was presented an earlier meeting
20040127 13:52:56 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> Anwer: it is an implementation of that
20040127 13:53:03 | marcoh@irc | mally: I'm in the room..so no problems with the webcast
20040127 13:53:12 | mally@irc | ah
20040127 13:54:03 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> Woeber: A number of formal and informal proposals where put on several mailinglists
20040127 13:54:43 | ziya@jabber | *ziya* ziya has become available
20040127 13:54:51 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> w: some of us receive many similar mails... sometimes lists seemed to be missed.
20040127 13:55:03 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> w: can an announcement list be created?
20040127 13:57:01 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> Neil: Different mechanism; more cleverness by implementing a filter that 'addresses | sort -u '
20040127 13:57:40 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> DFK: With procmail msg-id you can do this.
20040127 13:58:40 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> Kurtis: maybe some people only want to see the announcements
20040127 13:59:12 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> Koopal: Taking announcements away from discussion mailinglist
20040127 13:59:13 | mally@irc | how would you decided what is posted to this annoucment list?
20040127 13:59:15 | mally@irc | would chairs decide?
20040127 13:59:16 | mally@irc | the ncc?
20040127 13:59:42 | olaf@jabber | <olaf> Next agenda item
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20040128 18:30:18 | BasicBaer@irc | bye
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20040129 09:54:44 | BasicBaer@irc | hello everyone
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20040129 10:24:05 | shane_kerr@jabber | <shane_kerr> Or you can ask on IRC/Jabber.
20040129 10:24:06 | shane_kerr@jabber | <shane_kerr> ;)
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20040129 10:32:00 | shane_kerr@jabber | <shane_kerr> 'morning Mally.
20040129 10:32:05 | mally@irc | morn
20040129 10:32:09 | marcoh@irc | mornin mally
20040129 10:32:23 | mally@irc | hey marcoh, i missed your abuse-c cos of the stupid snow.. did it go well?
20040129 10:32:45 | shane_kerr@jabber | <shane_kerr> Marcoh's presentation was fab.
20040129 10:33:09 | marcoh@irc | went ok...discussion started
20040129 10:33:14 | marcoh@irc | again :)
20040129 10:33:25 | mally@irc | :)
20040129 10:33:34 | BasicBaer@irc | *g*
20040129 10:33:42 | BasicBaer@irc | how many times has it already been discussed?
20040129 10:33:48 | marcoh@irc | randy was awake and supporting...that saves a lot
20040129 10:36:15 | gd9-ripe@irc | all this effort for legacy addressing...
20040129 10:36:35 | jlawrence@irc | :)
20040129 10:36:55 | marcoh@irc | gd: you mean like stick with the old stuff for the next 20 years, when we run out :)
20040129 10:36:57 | mally@irc | i shall have to watch the archive when it appears...#
20040129 10:37:05 | mally@irc | theres no archives so far this week tho...
20040129 10:37:13 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> wanna bet? ;)
20040129 10:37:37 | gd9-ripe@irc | marcoh: that japanese proposal "make IPv4 distribution really easy, just burn it, and then proceed to v6" starts to sound better every day
20040129 10:38:05 | mally@irc | rephrase then... 'no archives linked'...
20040129 10:38:12 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> same comment.
20040129 10:38:19 | mally@irc | hrm
20040129 10:38:38 | marcoh@irc | gd9: just return all ipv4 to IANA :)
20040129 10:38:49 | mally@irc | i must have cached an old copy of the page..
20040129 10:39:03 | BasicBaer@irc | bad excuse ;)
20040129 10:39:07 | marcoh@irc | send it to mars, looking at the latest pictures they need some 'new' technology
20040129 10:39:07 | shane_kerr@jabber | <shane_kerr> I think when the routers started melting that the Japanese idea might be reconsidered.
20040129 10:39:17 | gd9-ripe@irc | marcoh: returning is bad, means "it will last even longer"
20040129 10:39:17 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/sessions-archive.html
20040129 10:39:36 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> shane: diff between 'burn ad-hoc' and 'burn in best fashion'
20040129 10:39:56 | gd9-ripe@irc | shane: the problems with the routers is more "people doing stupid things" like "announce their /16 as individual /24 for 'traffic engineering' reasons"...
20040129 10:39:58 | marcoh@irc | shane: if you want routers to melt, go to v6 and wait for the first route-leak
20040129 10:40:26 | gd9-ripe@irc | marcoh: we have leaks all the time. Routing table shooting up by 40% or so. BUt then, 300 -> 400 is not that much anyway :-)
20040129 10:40:34 | shane_kerr@jabber | <shane_kerr> ;)
20040129 10:40:53 | marcoh@irc | gd9: I guess I donn't have to point you to riverstone and 128k routes :P
20040129 10:41:14 | gd9-ripe@irc | that's v4 routes, is it?
20040129 10:41:25 | marcoh@irc | yep
20040129 10:41:39 | gd9-ripe@irc | how are they coping with the current table? We're at 129k or so, are we?
20040129 10:41:55 | marcoh@irc | as long as the filters you have on your site for v6 are correct, I'm safe :P
20040129 10:42:17 | gd9-ripe@irc | I don't have that many v6 routes yet (some 30 or so)
20040129 10:42:20 | gd9-ripe@irc | IGP, that is
20040129 10:42:23 | marcoh@irc | gd9: they all went down when the table crossed 128k last week
20040129 10:42:40 | gd9-ripe@irc | marcoh: wasn't aware of that. scary.
20040129 10:43:21 | marcoh@irc | gd9: I wasn't planning on carrying every /48 in my IGP
20040129 10:43:56 | gd9-ripe@irc | marcoh: neither am I. The plan is to go for internal aggregation at /40-level (or whichever works out).
20040129 10:44:31 | marcoh@irc | I will start with router memory and define the level of aggregation I need
20040129 10:45:22 | gd9-ripe@irc | but you should make sure that you take it into account in the early stages already, when planning how to spread your addrss space over POPs and routers. Doing it afterwards will be "inconvenient"
20040129 10:45:46 | marcoh@irc | Yep...
20040129 10:46:32 | marcoh@irc | I only run some experiments now, but before I go live I will build a decent addressing plan
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20040129 11:07:18 | koopal@irc | anyone here listening from remote btw?
20040129 11:07:41 | marcoh@irc | I saw mally joining :)
20040129 11:09:04 | marcoh@irc | any comments we should relay ?
20040129 11:09:09 | mally@irc | nope
20040129 11:09:56 | mally@irc | i dont have my head in 'lir mode' yet, after 3 years of it being in 'ripe ncc staff' mode ;)
20040129 11:10:06 | marcoh@irc | <g>
20040129 11:10:43 | marcoh@irc | in LIR-mode: just find smomething to complain about....
20040129 11:11:01 | marcoh@irc | and your AW is always to small and response is always to slow :)
20040129 11:11:05 | koopal@irc | and don't bring it up at the meetings as you are scared
20040129 11:11:19 | evilmark@irc | but bitch on every list possible
20040129 11:11:28 | gd9-ripe@irc | evil people, you!
20040129 11:11:38 | marcoh@irc | no, keep on whining on some irc channel
20040129 11:11:56 | marcoh@irc | which has noting to do with ripe :)
20040129 11:12:09 | evilmark@irc | OK!
20040129 11:12:26 | mally@irc | j/oin #xxx-pics-ripe-moan
20040129 11:13:18 | BasicBaer@irc | *g*
20040129 11:13:56 | gd9-ripe@irc | IRC channels are not good. Must Whine On Mailing Lists. And in public, of course, in newspaper interviews and such.
20040129 11:14:22 | marcoh@irc | but never ever at the ripe-meeting
20040129 11:14:24 | koopal@irc | well, at least these irc-channels are logged
20040129 11:14:25 | gd9-ripe@irc | never
20040129 11:14:39 | gd9-ripe@irc | koopal: which is why nobody is complaining in *here*
20040129 11:14:49 | marcoh@irc | gd9: I don't agree see the photos on the ripe website :P
20040129 11:14:50 | mally@irc | are ripe actually going to post the logs unedited on www.ripe.net?
20040129 11:14:58 | evilmark@irc | one hopes not
20040129 11:15:01 | koopal@irc | :-)
20040129 11:15:07 | koopal@irc | it was announced
20040129 11:15:09 | gd9-ripe@irc | marcoh: the most pretty ones are always the most evil ones, don't you know? :-)
20040129 11:15:13 | evilmark@irc | lets defame people in here to ensure that they can't
20040129 11:15:30 | gd9-ripe@irc | The Evil People Will Start Censoring Free Communication Media
20040129 11:15:32 | marcoh@irc | gd9: I just got pointed to the fact this is archived...
20040129 11:15:37 | marcoh@irc | *no-comment*
20040129 11:15:37 | gd9-ripe@irc | (sorry, seems as if I need some food now)
20040129 11:15:47 | gd9-ripe@irc | has anyone seen Bert, btw.
20040129 11:15:47 | gd9-ripe@irc | ?
20040129 11:16:18 | marcoh@irc | yep, spotted him yesterday
20040129 11:16:33 | marcoh@irc | was hiding in a bag
20040129 11:16:36 | evilmark@irc | ?
20040129 11:16:38 | evilmark@irc | mad
20040129 11:16:41 | evilmark@irc | krazy dutch
20040129 11:16:43 | gd9-ripe@irc | marcoh: yesterday in the AP WG working group, hans-petter introduced me as "I have two co-chairs, ..., Gert Doering who is responsible for annoying people on mailing lists"... - so I can live with me being archived publically :-)
20040129 11:17:12 | BasicBaer@irc | *g*
20040129 11:17:24 | marcoh@irc | I can live with archives, but not with HM reading it :P
20040129 11:17:50 | gd9-ripe@irc | marcoh: Evil HM Will Know Anyway And Lower Your AW to 0 now!
20040129 11:18:12 | marcoh@irc | bruce: can you block access to the archives for the NCC office network ?
20040129 11:18:12 | BasicBaer@irc | if not has done so already
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20040129 11:20:33 | marcoh@irc | need food
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20040129 11:25:57 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> marcoh: I can, but whats in it for me? ;)
20040129 11:26:35 | BasicBaer@irc | less punches
20040129 11:28:44 | BasicBaer@irc | bye
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20040129 13:17:33 | BasicBaer@irc | hello everyone
20040129 13:18:14 | BasicBaer@irc | re