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20040127 15:07:41 | iljitsch@jabber | <iljitsch> hi andre
20040127 15:08:35 | olaf@jabber | *olaf* olaf has become available
20040127 15:14:10 | koopal@irc | pity irc jabber wasn't announced again
20040127 15:16:46 | koopal@irc | if nobody else will, I will relay questions
20040127 15:25:06 | koopal@irc | brb, sorry
20040127 15:28:19 | koopal@irc | re
20040127 15:28:40 | iljitsch@jabber | <iljitsch> is the jabber hostname even to be found anywhere on the site?
20040127 15:29:14 | evilmark@irc | http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/feedback.html
20040127 15:29:17 | evilmark@irc | jabber.ripe.net
20040127 15:30:05 | iljitsch@jabber | <iljitsch> nope it's conference.ripe.net
20040127 15:30:17 | evilmark@irc | interesting
20040127 15:30:33 | iljitsch@jabber | <iljitsch> you need to register at the other one though, but c.r.n hosts the group chats
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20040127 15:31:15 | evilmark@irc | cretins will do a whois and use the first address they find, and report abuse to me as i'm the last changed: entry
20040127 15:31:17 | evilmark@irc | oops
20040127 15:31:33 | evilmark@irc | wrong window :)
20040127 15:32:08 | iljitsch@jabber | <iljitsch> on-topic:
20040127 15:32:31 | evilmark@irc | it's more on topic in #anti-spam which is where it was meant for :)
20040127 15:33:09 | iljitsch@jabber | <iljitsch> I'm very disappointed that the autoconfiguring a DNS resolver for IPv6 problem isn't even mentioned. I guess I'll just have to go back to dnsop and start the whole discussion again there.
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20040127 16:17:47 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> dnsop needs constance care and feeding ;-(
20040127 16:18:06 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> s/constance/constant/
20040127 16:20:21 | bruce@jabber | *bruce* bruce has become available
20040127 16:21:13 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> questions?
20040127 16:21:55 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> lameness is a seperate issue.
20040127 16:23:26 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> did olaf mention the implementation time? (as someone who has been out in the hallway during the presentation)
20040127 16:23:36 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> no
20040127 16:24:02 | koopal@irc | olaf provided the timeline
20040127 16:24:17 | dfk@jabber | <dfk> then *I* was distracted
20040127 16:24:27 | koopal@irc | grin
20040127 16:24:53 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> (otherwise I'm involved in the backend of this, and any questions I've got are fiddly implementation things ;) )
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20040129 08:05:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has become available
20040129 08:06:34 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> good morning all
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20040129 08:10:27 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> anyone watching from home, or is everyone physically here?
20040129 08:11:21 | hakke@irc | i'm listening from finland
20040129 08:11:46 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> (oooh, actions aren't gatewayed, thats clumsy of me
20040129 08:11:48 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> )
20040129 08:12:20 | koopal@irc | feature request :-)
20040129 08:12:27 | koopal@irc | (or bug-fix?)
20040129 08:12:36 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> latter.
20040129 08:17:12 | hakke@irc | shame there isn't video stream
20040129 08:17:21 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> polish registry starting.
20040129 08:17:37 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> hakke: next meeting I might have the budget for it.
20040129 08:18:02 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> it'd be a basic view of the slides + presenter (if you know the layout of the st johns room II)
20040129 08:18:19 | hakke@irc | i've been there
20040129 08:18:25 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> as we don't have the personnel to do the fancy control stuff that we do in the grand ballroom
20040129 08:19:49 | evilmark@irc | hire me to do it
20040129 08:19:55 | evilmark@irc | 100K euro for the week
20040129 08:20:25 | koopal@irc | would be nice if at least the presentions were already available publicly
20040129 08:20:57 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> mark: *snort*
20040129 08:22:13 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> nice spike on 7th sep 2003.
20040129 08:22:20 | evilmark@irc | yeah, the presentations should be available
20040129 08:22:32 | evilmark@irc | as should the minutes be done the week after the meeting, not the week before the next one.
20040129 08:23:54 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> did 1500 in first week sep 2003, slow rise up to 20th oct, then nearly flat line growth since.
20040129 08:24:11 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> s/slow/gradual/
20040129 08:24:55 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> mark; we ask for them, the chairs are meant to pass that onto the presenters, but...
20040129 08:25:27 | koopal@irc | the ftp repository used to setup the presenters laptop, is that available?
20040129 08:25:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> for the presenters, yes.
20040129 08:26:02 | koopal@irc | so not publicly
20040129 08:26:14 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> (koopal is physically right next to me ;) )
20040129 08:26:29 | koopal@irc | but talking in the room shouldn't be done :-)
20040129 08:27:20 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> publicaly available in the sense that its linked (a copy) from rosie. but we generally don't give out the direct url.
20040129 08:27:35 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> (plus theres no presubmitted presentations in that location for dn*)
20040129 08:27:55 | koopal@irc | ahh
20040129 08:28:17 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has left
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20040129 08:30:00 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> we (ncc) need more active checks of our delegations as well.
20040129 08:30:17 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> although the sms notifications are a bit much ;)
20040129 08:31:24 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> (is there a Polish IT-related organisation named 'PERL' ? its too obvious a joke to pass up)
20040129 08:35:38 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> so the crucial list of domains is those which their nameservers get the most requests for. v;good
20040129 08:36:02 | koopal@irc | ack
20040129 08:36:21 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> wonder if their contract for delegations include axfr ability.
20040129 08:36:42 | koopal@irc | ask :-)
20040129 08:36:47 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> slide mentions both 'complex' and SOA testing, so I'm not sure.
20040129 08:38:14 | koopal@irc | if there are questions here to relay ...
20040129 08:38:20 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> ok, just NS lists and SOA.
20040129 08:38:28 | koopal@irc | to late :-)
20040129 08:40:20 | koopal@irc | sight
20040129 08:40:33 | koopal@irc | struggling with getting the presentation on the laptop
20040129 08:42:04 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> ok here we go.
20040129 08:42:23 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> and first the news.
20040129 08:42:38 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> ISC = s/software/systems/
20040129 08:43:57 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> in this episode (stardate etc etc)
20040129 08:45:13 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> the ISC cog logo has change subtly as well.
20040129 08:46:39 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> https://oarc.isc.org/
20040129 08:47:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> www.isc.org/ops/f-root/
20040129 08:49:14 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> www.isc.org/sw/guild/
20040129 08:49:25 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> (waits for mention of journeymen and masters)
20040129 08:54:08 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> questions?
20040129 08:56:06 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> (you can also do v6 to K)
20040129 09:02:54 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> dnssec workshop
20040129 09:07:00 | shane_kerr@jabber | *shane_kerr* shane_kerr has become available
20040129 09:08:03 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> yes.
20040129 09:08:37 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> (grumble, silly client)
20040129 09:13:32 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has left
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20040129 09:21:16 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> still busy with emulating pdp-10/tops-20
20040129 09:28:46 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> ouchie - qr bit is meant to stop that sort of query storms.
20040129 09:31:32 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> www.rfc.se/fpdns
20040129 09:34:08 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> bind9 most nameservers in .de, but bind8 most domains
20040129 09:34:33 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> coffee break.
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20040129 09:52:28 | evilmark@irc | hello
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20040129 10:44:34 | hakke@irc | so who's speaking now?
20040129 10:46:17 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> no idea; I've gotten bogged down with office stuff :(
20040129 10:46:48 | koopal@irc | I am in services now, so ...
20040129 10:47:03 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> ok, I'll remind Jim to get people to say their name.
20040129 10:47:07 | hakke@irc | just switched from rs
20040129 10:47:09 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> (walkies ;) )
20040129 10:48:12 | koopal@irc | But I think it is still Bert Hubert about powerdns
20040129 10:49:34 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> there was a question from someoen who didn't identify themselves.
20040129 10:49:55 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> Jim's been reminded.
20040129 10:52:54 | bruce@jabber | <bruce> (and yes, I originally thought that Jim was the chair, but it ends up that Jim is closer to the door, and relayed it then to Jaap)
20040129 10:58:30 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has become available
20040129 10:59:00 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> dnssec in nl
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20040129 11:09:08 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> idns in europe
20040129 11:09:57 | hakke@irc | yep, interesting
20040129 11:14:48 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> fáß.xy -> xn--fss-ula.xy
20040129 11:15:04 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> (whoops, wrong 'a' used)
20040129 11:16:08 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> even so, there is a problem in that you start running up against the 63char limit very quickly.
20040129 11:28:09 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> chicken and the egg problem again.
20040129 11:29:00 | hakke@irc | ie will not have support in years?-o
20040129 11:29:13 | hakke@irc | netscape supports already
20040129 11:29:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> but unfortunately, ie is the lcw.
20040129 11:30:55 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> cool, charset flag on whois query.
20040129 11:31:10 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> whois -h whois.denic.de -Cutf8 whatever.de
20040129 11:31:32 | hakke@irc | nice
20040129 11:31:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> questions?
20040129 11:32:14 | hakke@irc | hich browsers support idns now without any plugin?
20040129 11:32:39 | paf@irc | Mozilla-based, i.e. firebird or whatever it is called, mozilla etc. Possibly some more.
20040129 11:33:30 | hakke@irc | so cctld registries should now prevent people from registering domains that start xn-- ?
20040129 11:34:13 | hakke@irc | in .fi someone has already registered some, like xn--s-0faa.fi
20040129 11:34:16 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> moz & opera
20040129 11:34:46 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> hak: ja , was on one of the slides.
20040129 11:34:49 | paf@irc | It depends on what you mean. ICANN has said many moons ago that any MM-- (any values of 'MM') should be blocked from registration.
20040129 11:35:09 | paf@irc | The registration should only happen IF it is an idn which is registered.
20040129 11:36:22 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> that sounds selfreferencing
20040129 11:36:22 | hakke@irc | ok, I'll let finnich nic know about that
20040129 11:36:32 | hakke@irc | finnish even
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20040129 11:38:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | <bruce-hp> ende.
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