RIPE 49 Meeting
Plenary Minutes
Date: Tuesday 21 September, Thursday 23 September and Thursday
24 September 2004
Location: Renaissance Hotel, Manchester, United Kingdom
Scribe: Rob Allen
The RIPE 49 presentations can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html
A number of RIPE 49 presentations were webcast live. Archived recordings can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/sessions-archive.html
1. Opening and Welcome
2. Agenda RIPE 49
3. Minutes RIPE 48
4. From the Chair
5. Number Resource Organization (NRO) Update
6. Reports from the RIRs:
- AfriNIC
- APNIC
- ARIN
- LACNIC
7. ICANN Update
8. ASO Address Council Election
9. RIPE and RIPE NCC Open Discussion
10. Reports from the Working Groups
11. Next RIPE Meeting
12. AOB
13. Close
1. Opening and Welcome
Presented by: Rob Blokzijl, RIPE Chair
The Chair welcomed the attendees.
2. Agenda RIPE 49
The Chair noted that there were two updates to the published agenda: a
BGP presentation by Geoff Huston, APNIC, and a brief introduction for
each of the nominees for the ASO AC election.
The BGP presentation by Geoff Huston is available at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-bgp.pdf
3. Minutes RIPE 48
The Chair noted that the RIPE 48 Report and minutes had been published.
He mentioned that, as usual, the community had one week after RIPE 49
to make any final comments before the RIPE 48 minutes are approved.
The Chair gave a brief presentation on the financing of RIPE Meetings.
He noted that the RIPE NCC was originally formed to support RIPE Meetings, and that the RIPE NCC provides administrative, technical and Hostmaster support to RIPE Meetings. The Chair added that the cost for this is covered by the RIPE NCC.
He noted that 87% of meeting costs is covered by meeting fees with the rest of the costs covered by the RIPE NCC.
The Chair listed the percentage of major costs at RIPE Meetings as follows: conference facilities 30%, catering 45%, equipment rental 10%.
The Chair noted that the RIPE Dinner is fully covered by the cost of the ticket, and that costs for social events cost are covered by sponsors.
He asked for questions.
There were none.
The Chair then asked the nominees for the ASO AC election to introduce
themselves.
He thanked them for their introductions and asked if there were any questions.
There were none.
5. Number Resource Organization
(NRO) Update
Presented by Axel Pawlik, Managing Director, RIPE NCC
Axel discussed the NRO, its structure and status, global policy co-ordination,
the NRO Numbers Council, the policy development process (PDP), RIR co-ordination
groups, the Address Supporting Organization (ASO) and the proposed ASO
Memorandum of Understanding (MoU).
This presentation is available at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-nro.pdf
Axel asked for questions.
The Chair noted that the policy development process mentioned by Axel is concerned with developing global policies, and this includes only policies relevant to the interaction between IANA and the Regional Internet Registries (RIRs).
Presented by Adiel Akplogan, CEO, AfriNIC
This presentation is available at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-afrinic-update.pdf
Presented by Anne Lord, Policy Liaison Manager, APNIC
This presentation is available at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-apnic.pdf
Presented by Ray Plzak, President and Chief Executive Officer, ARIN
This presentation is available at:
[awaiting presentation]
Presented by Ricardo Patara, RSG Manager, LACNIC
This presentation is available at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-lacnic.pdf
7. ICANN Update
Presented by Doug Barton, General Manager, IANA
This presentation is available at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-iana.pdf
8. ASO Address Council Election
The Chair noted that anyone who had an interest in participating in this election was entitled to vote except for RIPE NCC staff.
Hans Petter Holen was selected as the new ASO Address Council representative for the RIPE NCC service region.
9. RIPE and RIPE NCC Open Discussion
Kurt Lindqvist brought up a proposal to restructure RIPE Meetings so that the first three days of the meeting are dedicated to operational and technical content, and the last two days on policy issues.
Gert Doering, Address Policy Working Group Co-chair, noted that at RIPE 49 there were complaints because the Address Policy Working Group was discussing issues that were relevant to routing while the Working Group was being held in parallel with the Routing Working Group.
He added that it would be useful to have policy discussions taking place in a single-track session and that he supported this new proposal to amend the structure of the RIPE Meeting week.
Daniel Karrenberg made a comment on behalf of Randy Bush who wanted to note that the operators themselves should take more charge of the operational parts of the RIPE Meeting program, particularly the EOF.
Daniel added that operators were welcome to help organise the EOF program.
He added that there needs to be more discussion on whether there is the
right balance at RIPE Meetings between quite formalised input into the
RIPE NCC and the more open-ended, technical discussions that aim to explore
new ideas.
The Chair noted that both these elements can be included in one week under the same organisational umbrella. He also noted that it would be possible to have the more open-ended, technical discussions in the first two and a half days, and then have the second half of the week dedicated to deal with RIPE NCC-centred items. He added that he thought it would be a waste of resources to have these two elements organised in two independent ways.
The Chair noted that for five years the EOF has been held at the start of the RIPE Meeting week, and that it has never been steered by any one individual or the RIPE NCC. He added that the only role that Daniel Karrenberg had played was the role of facilitator. He also noted that if one looks at the last two years, it is only through Daniel’s active role in facilitating the EOF that interesting talks have taken place at the EOF.
The Chair noted that there were seven working months until the next RIPE Meeting and that he would work with the working group chairs to arrange the more RIPE NCC- focused parts of the agenda. He added that the working group chairs, together with whoever is interested, will work on the more technical, operator-oriented content of the first two days.
The Chair noted that a programme will be produced in about four months
time.
He added that if the new approach to what is now called the EOF has not
worked, there will still be two months to assess what to do next.
The Chair asked for operators to volunteer to keep an eye on the programme for what is now called the EOF. He added that the logistics will be provided in the usual way.
João Damas and Kurtis Lindqvist agreed to help put together the programme for the first two days of RIPE 50.
The Chair suggested that the working group chairs consider these two days when they are preparing their working group program for RIPE 50. He noted that there are often many items in the working group agendas that are not policy-oriented and that would fit more appropriately in this EOF-type environment.
10. Reports from the Working Groups
Database Working Group
Presented by: Nigel Titley, Working Group Co-Chair
Topics included IRT abuse, future projects (CRISP server, abuse reporting work), country attribute, the Database 3.3 release and the IRRToolset.
There was a question on whether the IRT object will have PGP authorisation as mandatory.
Nigel Titley responded that the IRT object has a Maintainer object associated
with it that gives it protection.
The Working Group Chair's report from this Working Group can be found
at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-db.pdf
Presentations from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#db
IPv6 Working Group
Presented by: David Kessens, Working Group Chair
Topics included an update from the RIPE NCC, a report on the IPv6 routing table, a report on actual IPv6 traffic, real IPv6 usage in academic networks, IPv6 deployment in the root and a report from the IPv6 WG at the IETF on the multihoming problem.
Presentations from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#ipv6
EIX Working Group
Presented by: Fearghas McKay, Working Group Chair
Topics included IXP Presentations, SLAs & Pricing at IXPs, the last call for the “Switching Wishlist” and the Inter Provider Traffic Analyzer from the MIX in Milan.
The Working Group Chair's report from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-eix.pdf
Presentations from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#eix
Routing Working Group
Presented by: João Damas, Working Group Co-Chair
Topics included securing the network through hiding the core, the RIS project, BGP monitoring and the IRR Toolset.
The Chair asked if there had been much policy discussion, or whether most of the things reported in the Routing Working Group could have been reported at an EOF.
João replied that most of the discussions would have been appropriate in an EOF.
The Working Group Chair's report from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-routing.pdf
Presentations from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#routing
DNS Working Group
Presented by: Jim Reid, Working Group Co-Chair
Topics included reports from the IETF working groups, news from ISC about latest releases of BIND, the site finder problem in 2003 and undocumented delegation patches.
It was noted that the DNS Working Group Co-Chair would co-ordinate the production of a RIPE Document based on Fernando Garcia's DNS server migration document.
Presentations from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#dns
RIPE NCC Services Working Group
Presented by: Kurt Lindqvist, Working Group Chair
Topics included the RIPE NCC Activity Plan, anti-spam measures at the RIPE NCC, RIPE NCC billing procedures and RIPE NCC training activities.
The Working Group Chair's report from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-services.pdf
Presentations from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#ncc-services
Address Policy Working Group
Presented by: Andrea Borgato, Working Group Co-Chair
Topics included IANA – RIR IPv6 policy, allocation policies for IPv6, and HD ratio for IPv4 allocations.
The RIPE Chair noted that the RIPE Policy Development Process has been discussed in the Address Policy Working Group for the last two RIPE Meetings. He added that he is in the process of drafting a document that explains how the RIPE community have been developing policy for the last 15 years. He noted that he has presented this at the Address Policy Working Group and that this is something that all of the working groups should consider.
The RIPE Chair noted that he will send the Policy Development Process draft to all the mailing lists and that he would like everyone to read and comment on it. He added that he expected to publish the draft within two weeks.
The Working Group Chair's report from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-ap.pdf
Presentations from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#ap
Anti-Spam Working Group
Presented by: Rodney Tillotsen, Working Group Chair
Topics included message headers, abuse contacts in the RIPE Database and ripe-206 update.
The Working Group Chair's report from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-anti-spam.pdf
Presentations from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#anti-spam
Test Traffic Working Group
Presented by: Alex Tudor, Working Group Chair
Topics included cross AS measurement, multiple data collection platforms and the need for unified data collection from a third party.
There was a question on what kind of third party would be appropriate for unified data collection. It was noted that it would need to be a trusted third party with no commercial affiliations that was also open to research and the research community.
The Working Group Chair noted that, while he didn’t want to suggest that this third party has to be the RIPE NCC, he did think that the RIPE NCC was a good candidate.
The Working Group Chair's report from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-ttm.pdf
Presentations from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#tt
ENUM Working Group
Presented by: Patrik Fältström, Working Group Chair
Topics included the ENUM Working Group Charter, the status of ENUM deployment and the ENUM Working Group questionnaire.
The Working Group Chair's report from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-plenary-enum.pdf
Presentations from this Working Group can be found at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/index.html#enum
The Chair noted that RIPE 50 would take place 2 – 6 May 2005 in Stockholm, Sweden.
There was no other business.
The Chair commented on the excellent connectivity at the RIPE Meeting provided by British Telecom.
The Chair thanked the staff of the RIPE NCC and the organisations that supported the meeting.
Thanks to: TeleCity, LINX, Telecomplete and XchangePoint Europe.
The Chair thanked everyone for attending and invited attendees to attend RIPE 50:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/index.html
The session ended at 12.10pm
