Re: DANGER! Was: RIPE NCC Region Weekly Routing Report

[Tony Barber <]

> Well disk space is even cheaper but people still care about SPAM. But I
> might be wrong too.
>
> > All this will become a real issue once the number of prefixes being
> > announced becomes a problem for BGP convergence, or storage space on the
> > routers runs out...
>
> Well, what strikes me is that aggregation keeps popping up at NANOG, RIPE,
> IETF etc and everyone (more or less) agrees we needs to fix this. Still...
>
> I agree we need a bigger carrot (and there is no bigger carrot than
> money) to achieve this. The question is just how and what? But it's
> not the registries' job. Maybe we could define Tier-0 ISP:s as upstreams
> with a aggregation conscious?
>
> I doubt that more mailinglists and reports  will help. And more meetings
> with concensus will not add much. Having things automated (a script
> mailing the corresponding AS) might be one idea, but I agree that more
> mails will not do it alone.
>
> -
:-) Kurtis is right.
The engineering of the Internet has traditionally operated on a 'just in 
time' basis
(i.e only when its really needed).  With the environment being totally 
commercial now
there is even more incentive to operate in this manner.
Only if and when any related outages start to cause 'major' concerns will 
the operators
sit up and take notice. That is not at the moment and no amount of subtle 
teaching
will (in the long term) take effect. Daniel and ripe have noted this before 
where figures get
better soon after a major drive; but unless this is continual (and who 
pays??) the results
wear off and the trends continue.
With my company hat on, it is a nightmare to control all of the acquired 
networks totally
aligning them. Yes it is being worked on but is very time consuming. With 
all efforts
targetted at revenue collection and growth where are the resources to do 
the right thing?

There are no east answers, if there was they would have been implemented by 
now.
Apologies that this mail doesn't add much value other than to cast doom.

Tony Barber