Re: [ncc-services-wg] Re: [dns-wg] Re: dnsmon / .org

[Joao Damas <]

On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 12:09 PM, Pascal Julienne wrote:

> I haven't meant to establish the fee schedule.  I just gave an example 
> of
> how this could work. The pricing formula and the different services one
> might want to offer would have to be studied more.  To me it is just 
> good
> economic principle to offer different rates and different services and 
> that
> the money gotten goes toward these services.
The point I was trying to make is that if you really want to have 
packages, not everyone will be interested in access to registration 
services.
There are organisations interested in coordination activities carried 
out by the RIPE NCC while at the same time not wanting to become an LIR.
This just illustrates the fact that the RIPE NCC, while performing the 
RIR function for the RIPE region, is more than an LIR.
Perhaps it is worth spending some time looking at the feasibility (or 
not) of service packages in the context of the RIPE NCC, keeping in 
mind some basics needs such as the need for stability already expressed 
by Daniel.

> As far as EU is concerned, yes I am aware that RIPE takes care of more 
> than
> EU but I don't think it is an obstacle. In fact I think EU has to spend
> money for Africa for instance and a non profit organisation should be 
> a good
> candidate for grant.
Certainly, the EU could spend some money in Africa. I am sure a lot of 
European citizens would agree with that statement.

> Lately on the different mailing lists there has been a lot of talks 
> about
> RIPE costs, Fees, economics, internet being more and more a factor in 
> the
> economy, etc yet at the same time I see little discussion on marketing
> aspects, sales, normal accounting practices (analyzing what income 
> comes in,
> for what and what are the real costs).
I agree, though perhaps sales is not the best word to describe 
activities in this context and marketing is what has frequently been 
called outreach.

> I sure don't mean to be over critical because I appreciate the RIPE 
> and what
> it does but it seems to me that non-profit is viewed as non-business. 
> That
> is not the case, one can be non-profit yet deal in costs and pricing 
> issues,
> marketing, etc and ALSO financial relationship with government 
> institution.
> In short be a full fledge business which makes money that is 
> reinvested in
> its operating and not distributed as profit.
From my personal point of view, it is quite OK to be critical about 
RIPE and the RIPE NCC, as long as the criticism is constructive.
I don't personally appreciate the responses of people who seem to take 
any sort of opinion expressed about RIPE requesting improvement as a 
direct attack.

Cheers,
Joao