Re: Refuse een assignment because it 'cannot' be routed?

[Anne Marcel Roorda <]

> > >> Now a customer would like to get a static ip but does not want
> > ONE static IP address? PA, I assume?
> 
> Yes, PA.
> 
> 
> > >> If the customers sends a RIPE-141 request to the ISP, can the
> > ISP assign a
> > >> range but not route it to the customer?
> >
> > ... which would be extremely useful for ???
> 
> In order to force the customer to buy a more expensive service which
> includes fixed ip!
> Please understand that nor I nor my employer is doing this or even
> advocating this practice. To the contrary: I'm just observing that it
> happens and am so displeased about this that I am looking for ways to
> counter it.
> 
> 
> > >> Can it refuse the request on the grounds that it cannot route
> > the assigned
> > >> range to a dynamic ip?
> >
> > ... so, you want to rent a house and put a security guard on the entrance
> > door not allowing people who bought it to move in. Interesting ...
> 
> I think it is more appropriate to state that someone is looking for a house
> but all landlords he meets will move his front door every day unless he pays
> tripple rent.
> 
> I suppose the question can be phrased more theoretically as:
> 
> "If a LIR is obliged to assign address space (is it?), wouldn't it make
> sense to oblige a provider to route it"
> 
> or the other way'round:
> 
> "If an address space request is made, is the non-willingness of an ISP to
> route it sufficient grounds to deny the request?"
> 
> 
> > Well, there is no formal policy obligation for you to route the addresses
> > you assigned, but what would those addresses then be good for?
> 
> That's the point. Can the customer somehow (e.g. by submitting a ripe-141)
> force the ISP to assign him a static ip address? Or will it get him nowhere?
> 

Hi,

  This is a very interesting problem.

  As far as I am aware there is no obligation to assign IP space 
when someone becomes a customer of an entity served by a LIR.

  Possible problems when submitting a RIPE-141 document:

- There is no obligation to process the request
- The LIR may charge for processing the request
- The LIR may charge for the assignment
- The provider may charge for the routing

  You could opt to ask RIPE for a PI allocation, but noone is
required to route it for you.

Regards,

- marcel