Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

[Rimas Janusauskas <]

On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Alexei Platonov wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> 1)New RIR is not pure European, it may include part of Asia.
> 2)For _our_ situation the only acceptable variant is that the
> certain country is served by the RIR if 2/3 (or 4/5, or 5/6 ... - we'll
> decide) of LIRs in this country wish so. By the way, Andrew Stesin
> knows about this very well - we decided it on ISP meeting in Moscow where
> he has been present, that's why I don't understand some of his arguments
> at all. He wants me to confirm this principle once more ? OK, I do it.
> Thus I'm quite sure that Ukraine will _not_ be included in the area
> served by the new RIR.

Thank you Alexei,

It's a good basis for discussion.

Maybe I'll look boring nuisance, but I need to remind:

		Developments  of  the last few years however suggest
                that it is difficult for the RIPE NCC to  serve  all
                parts of this area because in practise there exist a
                number of practical problems.  These  problems  have
                to do with circumstances caused by:
                  -  local language problems
                  -  time zone differences
                  -  travel difficulties
                  -  effort   necessary   to  organise  coordination
                     meetings


Questions and comments:

1. Why I could not found any explanation what the main diffrence  between
RIPE NCC and RIPN is? I supposed, that it will be working language, but
you neither confirmed nor refuted my suspicion.
If working language of new RIR will be English, please describe the
problem named "local language problems" in more details.

2. Moscow mean time differs from Amsterdam EET +2h. Do these two hours is
a real  problem for registries in CIS countries (except Russian East)
 
3. No complains. Visa requirements, etc.etc.etc.
 
4. Moscow meeting has proved, that it's not a problem to arrange regional
meetings. I think RIPE community will meet your efforts to arrange RIPE
meeting somewhere in CIS with understanding.

Suggestions:

1. If RIPE community will found establishing of new RIR in CIS(Russia) 
desirable, do you see any problem, that LIRs will choose between 2
European RIRs?
In some countries (including Russia) p[art of LIRs will be served by RIPE
NCC and part by RIPN.

If RIPN will prove, that their service is on the same or higher level
than RIPE NCC is providing, LIRs will turn back to RIPN.

2. Administrative decision for whole country must be considered as
inadmissible. At present only some countries could express their average
position by LIRs voting. What could we say about _2/3 (or 4/5, or 5/6...)_ 
LIRs in appropriate country, when we coud not found them at all!!! 
Situation could became very unstable, if newly established  LIR's 
(for ex. in Kazakhstan it will be enaugh 2 or 3) will decide, that 
_ALL_ LIRs in their country starting from Day V. might be served by
another RIR.

From the other hand, it's not so very important where the LIR is
registered (where the admin-c resides).

3. During the first step new RIR must be run under supervision from RIPE
NCC, probably in position of GM to achieve the same service level and have 
the same policy and procedures. Most important is to have RIR really
independant and working for whole community.

Hope, that your reply could settle down the discussion to more
constructive mode.

With best regards,

Rimas
 
P.S. Sorry to be so slow-minded. Now I understand the keynote idea of 
Mike Norris:

	OK, but what do you feel about the corollary: is a RIR free to choose
	any LIR that seeks service, or is it constrained to serve only those
	within a certain (or sometimes uncertain) geographical area?  Before
	answering, remember what the E in RIPE, the A in ARIN and the AP
	in APNIC stand for.

Yes, I could confirm, that R in RIPN stands for Russia   and is not
associated with me anyhow.  :)

r.