Re: ripe-167

[Alexei Platonov <]

Hi,

I think there is some misunderstanding, may be due to the fact that
some details are not clearly defined in the ripe-167 document.

The idea is _to start_ the process on the base of RosNIIROS,
as far as it has done something already with this problem.

If we agree with the idea of RIR, then the work is to be done
within some "collaborative entity" and the model of RIPE is
acceptable. If we need, some international association can be
formally established. I've already discussed it with some of
Russian ISPs, and they also think so.

Of course, it's not acceptable that Russian Government will
dictate something through RosNIIROS. The latter can play only
_technical_ role (if it'll be decided that it is RosNIIROS
that should do this work after initial period).

I didn't quite understand, Ucrainian ISPs don't like the idea
of RIR at all, or they don't like it to be based on some
organization (say, with international status) located in Moscow ?

What about Minsk, then ?  :-)

Best regards,
Alexei Platonov
RosNIIROS

According to Andrew Stesin:
> 
> 
> 	What are the conclusion of reviewing this document?
> 
> 	1. The document is based on political and historical
> 	   ideas from an epoque of 5 years ago.  They aren't correct
> 	   anymore.
> 	2. The document doesn't provide a solid set of argumentation,
> 	   neither in favor of "RR for xUSSR countries" creation itself,
> 	   nor in favor of creation of this RR in Moscow.
> 
> 	As one can't get enough information from the document itself,
> 	what might be at the background of it?
> 
> 	a. RosNIIROS is a governmental institution, it isn't
> 	   a collaborative organisation.  It's activity reflects
> 	   the policy of a single government -- Russian -- and this
> 	   policy often directly contradicts the interests of
> 	   other xUSSR countries.
> 
> 	b. In the nearest past, Russian government started establishing
> 	   a policy of strong governmental regulation for Internet
> 	   activity on Russian territory.
> 
> 	c. RosNIIROS isn't a single entity in Russia trying to achieve
> 	   the major role in regulating and directing Internet activity.
> 	   Naturally, they also might have an interest in broadening
> 	   their role to the whole xUSSR, to get a bonus in this
> 	   "competition".
> 
> 	d. Holding an RR for a set of adjucent countries will allow
> 	   Russian governmental institutions to monitor Internet
> 	   activities there and even get some influence on them.
> 
> 	e. Being an RR allows providing of the service involves getting
> 	   some funds from the customers, in this case -- from ISPs.
> 	   Probably, governmental funding of RosNIIROS isn't
> 	   enough for them today, and additional funding is
> 	   badly needed.
> 
> 	These are my guesses and impressions, not clear facts.  These
> 	are _questions_.  But one can draw some conclusions even from
> 	questions.
> 
> 	According to discussions with collegues and other interested
> 	parties, here and at Yalta conference, I'd like to finish my comments
> 	with the following conclusions:
> 
> 	Most Ukrainian ISPs are voting against an attempt to establish
> 	an "RR for CIS"; what is CIS, anyway?  By the way, Russia
> 	is a federation itself, so Russia alone is in fact a region.
> 	So creating of RR for Russia in RosNIIROS would be much more correct,
> 	and make it so.
> 
> 	In case RIPE will create a RIPN-based "RR for CIS" it would be
> 	boycotted by most Ukrainian ISPs due to unclear political
> 	and financial reasons of it's creation.  We prefer dealing
> 	with RIPE directly -- our contributions to RIPE are
> 	pretty sufficient for this.  As for new and young LIRs
> 	in Ukraine -- they in fact do have personnel who know
> 	English.  Also Kyiv is much closer to Europe than to
> 	Siberia.
>