Re: [enum-wg] DNSMON for enum zones

[Ondřej Surý <ondrej.sury@localhost]

Jim Reid píše v Čt 10. 05. 2007 v 12:45 +0100:
> On May 10, 2007, at 07:05, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> 
> > I seems to me that you are mixing "DNS monitoring" (in general) and  
> > "DNS
> > monitoring for TLD operators".  Here we are speaking about  
> > "monopoly for
> > monopoly".
> 
> I'm not mixing these things. From my perspective there's no  
> difference. I'm looking at non-core services that the NCC provide  
> which could and should be offered by others, not by the NCC. DNS  
> monitoring in any form (except for the NCC's internal operations) is  
> such a service IMO. The de facto monopoly in DNS monitoring that the  
> NCC enjoys is regrettable. The fact the NCC is in this business  
> distorts the market and has deterred others, including NCC members,  
> from entering that market.

I am not sure if that market is so wide.  (Still with my TLD hat on.)
See my comment bellow.

> What worries me is an official complaint to the competition  
> authorities which results in them reviewing every aspect of the NCC  
> operations, introducing regulation because it's a monopoly, etc, etc.

Ok, I understand your worries.

> > Speaking for .cz I would very much doubt that we would buy such
> > commercial DNS monitoring if it wasn't from RIPE NCC.  We would rather
> > build some platform ourselves and offer it to other TLD operators (on
> > CENTR, OARSI or whatever grounds).
> 
> I think that proves my point. There would be more diversity and  
> competition in DNS monitoring services in the marketplace (such as it  
> is) if the NCC would leave it alone to develop naturally.

Sorry, but no.  You may have little bit twisted my argument to fit your
needs, but my point was that:

1. there is a need to monitor TLDs
2. there is a need to save costs
3. TLD operators are very cautious when it come to outsourcing

So my point was that sooner or later something like DNSMON would be
created in exactly same way as it is now.  Ie. joint project of TLD
operators.  NCC already had nice infrastructure due TTM, so it allowed
to save little bit of money to create such infrastructure on green
field.

I don't think that DNSMON (as is done by RIPE NCC) is deforming the
market, because this market is already so much deformed.  Market where
customers are monopoly with big share of them being not-for-profit
couldn't behave normally.  But that's just my opinion and it could
heavily differ from "authorities" view.

But I would suggest to wrap up this discussion and continue with
separate points as Patrik Fältström suggested.

Ondrej.
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