[eix-wg] RIPE 51 EIX-WG Draft Minutes

[Mike Hughes <]

Hi all,

Herewith the draft minutes from the EIX Working Group at RIPE 51 for your
viewing pleasure.

Please mail me back before the 21st December 2005 with any corrections,
amendments, or omissions.

Thanks,
Mike


Draft Minutes - RIPE 51

EIX Working Group

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Date: Thursday 13 October 2005
Location: Amsterdam 
Chair: Mike Hughes (LINX)

Scribe: Scott Donald (RIPE NCC)
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Agenda

A. Choose a scribe

B. RIPE 50 minutes

C. IXP Presentations- thirteen short presentations from various IXPs.

D. AS-SETs for internet exchanges (Mike Hughes, LINX)

E. VoIP peering (Mike Hughes, LINX)

Z. AOB

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A. Choose a scribe

Scott Donald from the RIPE NCC volunteered.


B. RIPE 50 minutes

The minutes of the previous EIX working group at RIPE 50 were approved.


C. IXP Presentations

1) Euro-IX Update (Serge Radovcic)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-euro-ix.pdf


2) AMS-IX Update (Cara Mascini)

ttp://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-amsix.pdf


3) DE-CIX (Bernhard Krönung)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-decix.pdf

Question, Christian Panigl, VIX:  is Open BGPD  able to do IPv6 ?
Bernhard Krönung: yes, it is now ready, they have implemented IPv6.
Gert Doering, Spacenet: Not sure about the exact implementation status of
IPv6 at the moment, but v6 transport has been working for some time. The
route server work continues- they are planning on extensions for separate
policy tables per peer.

4) INEX Update (Nick Hilliard)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-inex.pdf

Question, Steve Gibbard, Packet Clearing House: what are your traffic
numbers ?
Nick Hilliard :350-400 MEGs in terms of traffic.

Question, Gert Doering: what is the benefit of VoIP peering and what is it?
Nick Hilliard : VoIP peering is IP peering, but the peering is not done on
the public infrastructure. VoiP gateways are connected together without
going over public IP net.
Gert Doering: Do they connect VoiP gateway machines or routers?
Nick Hilliard: routers with peering using BGP. It is like a private peering
group

Question, Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telekom: so you will be doing only PNIs
there or is it just another VLAN?
Nick Hilliard: it's just another VLAN


5) LINX Update (Mike Hughes)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf//ripe51-eix-linx.pdf

Question, Nick Hilliard: What port security mechanisms do you have or not
have?
Mike Hughes: we don't run spanning tree so that if someone else plugs their
switch in or looped their port, it won't cause a loop.

6) NDIX update (Remco van Mook)

presentation currently not available.

Question, unknown speaker: how much traffic do you have?
Remco van Mook: somewhere in the 100s of MEGs


7) LONAP, RIPE 51 Update (Danesh Bhabuta)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-lonap.pdf

Question, unknown speaker: you say you support jumbo frames, is anyone
actually using them and where are they going?
James Rice, Jump Networks: yes we have an ADSL provider who is offering
L2TP over the exchange using jumbo frames. But I don't think anyone is
actually using them at the moment although it is on offer.



8) NETNOD (Kurtis Lindqvist)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-netnod.pdf

Question, unknown speaker: if other people order the fibre do the know
where it goes?
Kurtis Lindqvist: no, it is kept secret. The fibre providers know where
Netnod is though.


9) Norwegian Internet Exchange (Kjetil Otter Olsen)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-nix.pdf


10) NIX.CZ update (Josef Chomyn)

presentation currently not available.


11) SFINX Update (Sabine Jaume-Rajaonia)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-sfinx.pdf


12) Terremark (Josh Snowhorn)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-terramark.pdf


13) Vienna Internet Exchange (Christian Panigl)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-vix.pdf



D. AS-SETs for internet exchanges (Mike Hughes, LINX)

presentation not available.

Mike Hughes: LINX have an AS-SET object on the RIPE Database which lists
all the AS numbers connected at LINX. This is useful for router
configurations and peering. 
Are any other internet exchanges doing this, and do you think it is an
appropriate thing to do?

Gert Doering: good idea, and even better to put the organisation name after
each AS number on the list as a comment.

Mike Hughes: even better if the database could automatically look up the
database and add the organisation name.

Andy Furnell, LINX: this is a good idea, but a peering set might be even
better.

Ruediger Volk: the AS-SET is good to have. Anything more than this should
go to the database working  group I think.

Mike Hughes: it seems to be  agreed that the AS-SET object is the
appropriate object for showing members of internet exchanges on the RIPE
Database.


E. VoIP Peering (Mike Hughes, LINX)

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-eix-voip.pdf


Point from unknown speaker: traffic in Miami for VoIP is tiny.
Ruediger Volk: there are regulatory issues in Germany as voice is being
used, not just IP!
Point from unknown speaker: there are no guarantees of quality using VoIP.
Providers will want to be sure of quality before offering this service
Mike Hughes: VoIP call quality can be better than PSTN in some cases. PSTN
call quality in some African countries for example can be very bad.


Z. AOB

There was no other business.

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