[eix-wg] RIPE 50 EIX-WG Minutes

[Mike Hughes <]

Hi folks,

Herewith a copy of the minutes from the EIX-WG meeting at Stockholm for
your approval.

Please let Fearghas or I know of any issues or discrepancies.

Thanks,
Mike

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EIX-WG
May 5th, Thursday, 11:00 - 12:30
RIPE 50, Stockholm 

Agenda
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A Scribe
B Agenda Bashing
C RIPE 49 Minutes Approval
	5 minutes for all
D IXP Presentations
	45 minutes
E RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses
	5 minutes
F Switching Wishlist
G The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps
	35 minutes

Minutes:
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A Scribe
	Vesna Manojlovic from RIPE NCC
	Attendance sheet circulated

B Agenda Bashing
	Nothing to add

C RIPE 49 Minutes Approval
	Minutes approved

D IXP Presentations

D.1 AMSIX, Cara Mascini 
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-amsix.pdf

New product launched: 10GE.
Night traffic growing the most.
Using the TTM boxes to monitor their infrastructure . 

D.2 DE-CIX, Bernhard Kroenung
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-decix.pdf

Partner program introduced. Not much difference to regular members. 
First partner in Luxemburg.
Second technical meeting in April. 

D.3 Equinix, Jay Adelson
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-equinix.pdf

Equinix is spread around the world (but not in Europe); co-location, used
to exchange traffic.


D.4 Gigapix, Carlos Friacas (FCCN)
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-gigapix.pdf.pdf

Small IX, the only one in Portugal.
	
D.5 INXS Munich, Martin McDermott
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-inxs.pdf
	
D.6 LINX, Mike Hughes
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-linx.pdf

MG8 now deployed. The "Faulty Towers" (sic) problem has been patched.
Will be upgrading the second LINX platform (currently Extreme) starting
later this year.
The new web site launched; old one still available. 


D.7 NaMeX Rome, Daniele Arena
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-namex.pdf
	
Asked by the members to look into VoIP peerings. Had a working group on
it. 

D.8 NIX.CZ Prague, Josef Chomyn
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-nix-cz.pdf

Q: What is the difference between members & customers?
A: Memebers can vote; customers have the same contieions, but can not
vote. 


D.9 NDIX (Nl-De), Dietmar Hoelscher  
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-ndix.pdf
	
D.10 Netnod Stockholm, Kurtis Lindqkvist
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-netnod.pdf

Located in 5 cities in Sweden, in caves/bunkers. 
Sponsoring diner, have T-shirts with new logo. 

	
D.11 NYIIX/LAIIX (Telehouse America), Sugeno Akio 
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-laiix.pdf
	
Located in New York & Los Angeles.


D.12 Union-IXP, Fearghas McKay
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-union.pdf

New IXP in Central Scotland. Member-run. 


D.13 VIX, Christian Panigl 
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-vix.pdf


D.14 Euro-IX, Serge Radovcic
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-euroix.pdf


E RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses,
Vesna Manojlovic
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-rr.pdf

F Switching Wishlist, Mike Hughes, LINX
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-wishlist.pdf

URL: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/eix-wg/2005/msg00010.html

Want it to be a two-way dialog with vendors; to review vendor plans for 
implementation before they get on with it. 
mike@localhost for feedback.

Q (Christian): Dealine for comments?
A: If people are happy with v3.0, it will be published next week.
The rest of the feedback will e included in the version 3.1, and published
around next RIPE meeting. 

Q (Gaurab): At APRICOT there was a sucessful operators wishlist 
discussion. Maybe you would find that interesting to take a look.  
A: Will take a look.  

Note by Chair: If you are going to present on the EIX-WG meeting, it would
be useful to be subscribed to the mailing list, because I've posted the
agenda & the instructions about the upload to the list.  


G "The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps" - Bill
Norton
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-peering-debate.pdf

Disucssion: Additional Advantages of Public Peering: 

5. (VIX) Peering slut (?!): benefit more from using route servers, for 
easy management of peering sessions. 

6. (AMSIX) Large public peering ports over private connections saves
engineers - you set up the peering once, instead of seting-up multiple
private ones. 

7. (DE-CIX) Redundancy - if you have multiple connections on public 
peering, and your partners also have multiple connections.. 
Second port is usually very cheap on most IXPs. 
A: This model is about only one location; does not take into consideration
mulitple locations. 

8. Cesnet: The costs are not that high in Enurope.
A: I will include those in later version of the spreadsheet. 


Discussion: Additional Advantages of Private Peering: 

Maurice from Google: 
- Over-subscription can be monitored also on the public peering.
- You can use both. 

Keith Mithel: Scaling can be a problem for private peerings.

Mike Hughes: People don't have enough back-haul away from the IX.

Malcom, Linx: "tapping" possibility would be known much in advance. 

Maurice, Google: Change in the transition practices: put switches instead
of routers into IX. 

Mike Hughes: Beware using just one or two routers in a metro, can have BGP
multipathing problems, leading to convergence problems". 

The End: best bit now - the T-shirts by Netnod! 

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