Re: [ec-tf] gov't attendees at meetings

[McTim dogwallah@localhost]

Hi Roland,

On 11/9/07, Roland Perry roland@localhost wrote:
> In message
>
> First of all, when I look at the spreadsheet the count of 15 "Govt"
> people is apparently from the list for RIPE55, and the 7 from RIPE 42.
> So on that basis alone, your conclusion is incorrect.

It was a hypthesis, not a conclusion ;-)

>
> But you've only got a total of 290 people at RIPE55 (which I thought had
> around 450 and was the "largest ever") and 331 for RIPE 42.
> I know the
> columns are broadly correct (on the left are people who were in
> Amsterdam a couple of weeks ago, on the right back in 2002) just from
> eyeballing the names and affiliations.
>
> There were also at least four people from the EU Commission at RIPE55,
> who for some reason didn't make your list.
>
> So I think we need some better input data.
>

clearly,  I took them from the website ;-)

> >there are difficulties determinig about whois biz vs. gov vs CS.
>
> Yes. There aren't really enough different categories. I see you've put
> RIR colleagues into "CS", for example.

Yes, which I, and others in the "Internet Technical Community have been
arguing is have been arguing is actually the case.  Now that we have
status as a 4th stakeholder group in the IGF, if I had made 4 columns,
there would have been only 2 CS attendee at both meetings I looked at
(2 from a human rights group in Nepal).

> As for "Govt" attendees, these also traditionally include people working
> in "Civil service" roles within academic networks and cctld operators,
> as well as other research and CERT-type activities.

yes, it was not easy determining if an NREN or ccTLD was a gov or CS,
as some (NRENs in particular) were chartered by a gov, then became
independent.

>
> The target audience for government outreach is quite different - broadly
> the same constituency as GAC membership (ie the senior officials in the
> telecoms or foreign affairs ministries, plus telecoms regulators).
>
> RIPE55 was also a bit odd in that it was only a month after the most
> recent Roundtable, where people in our target audience who wanted to
> learn the latest news and ask us questions had already had their chance
> (and in private which much better suits their culture).
>
> And it was the week immediately before an ICANN meeting in the northern
> hemisphere, where the GAC members would get their traditional NRO
> presentation and be able to circulate with *all* the RIRs in the
> corridors (which we did, and very successfully).
>
> And so soon before Rio, when we all get the chance to meet yet again!
>
> It was always a bit much to expect attendance at all of those by the
> "usual suspects", but I was encouraged by the number of new Govt faces
> at RIPE55, and the amount of very useful business done at all these
> meetings so far. And now off to Rio... my taxi for the airport arrives
> in half an hour.

Enjoy, I'll not be there, but I will be on a beach :-)

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
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