Re: [anti-spam-wg] Non-cooperation of RIPE ISP in investigating report of email abuse (spam)

[der Mouse mouse@localhost]

>> And - to get back to the question that I was replying to in my quote
>> above - I feel no particular responsibility to volunteer to do, for
>> free, what I see as an integral part of what someone else is already
>> being paid to do (namely, managing those resources).

> RIPE is the policy making body/communty, those of us who participate
> in it do it for free.

> RIPE NCC is the paid organisation/RIR that carries out the RIPE
> policy.

Again, a description of what is, which is not what I was talking about
(except by way of contrast).

> It would help if you could use the same language that those of us who
> operate in the RIPE region use, your complaints are about the
> inactions of the RIPE NCC, not RIPE which is the policy setting
> community.

Actually, about both.

Additionally, about using confusingly similar names for them and then
determinedly drawing a hard line between them, something practically
guaranteed to confuse - especially since what you're calling the RIPE
NCC is what the rest of the world ends up thinking of as "RIPE"
(because it's the only face seen of either of them).

> If you want to change the RIPE NCC's actions, you need to change the
> RIPE policy.  [...]

Again, describing the current RIPE / RIPE NCC paradigm, which I see as
a substantial part of the problem.

/~\ The ASCII				der Mouse
\ / Ribbon Campaign
 X  Against HTML	       mouse@localhost
/ \ Email!	     7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39  4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B