Re: [anti-abuse-wg] how to detect spambots - SPAMTrusted

[Frank Gadegast frank@localhost]

peter h wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 March 2009 19.48, Dr. Alexander K. Seewald wrote:
> > We've built and run a prototype passive botnet tracking system in
> > Austria for the last year. A journal paper is pending and should be
...

 slot there - half an hour should suffice.
> > Best,
> >   Alex
> Technical analysis is at best a forensic tool, possibly useful when 
> a spammer has been stand to trial
> What we need is legislation and spamhunting, where spamming is made 
> illegal, no excuses allowed, badly managed computers that is taken over
> by spammers should be a crime, and where efforts of the law community
> is switched from the which-hunting of perr-to-peer networks to 
> hunting spam and the assosiated criminality. ISP that does not 
> prevvent spam and that does not act upon abuse-reports should be 
> made accountable. 
>
> Sorry, bot-analysing is interesting, but it does not (much) prevent the disease.
Oh, you are so right ...


And the following makes me really crazy:
- preventing spambotted PCs from sending spam is SOOO easy

Im talking about the following now for years and nearly nobody is 
listening to me, but the concept is working here with us perfectly.
We identify any of our dial-in customers in minutes easily using
only well-known open-source tools and block them out.

I outline it again:
- guess you are a dial-in provider
- guess you provide mailservices for your customers
- guess you already have a an antispam solution for your customers

And now think about the following:
- is it likely, that a spambotted PC, that dials in via one of your
  dial-in IPs, sends spam to the email address of this particular
  customer, his family and friends and colleges or simply any other
  customer of yours ?

YES, its not only "likely", its prooven, spambots scan outlook address
books, and if the provider is only big enough (it works here for
only 10000 mailboxes) ...
... SPAMBOTS USING YOUR DIAL-IN IPs DO SEND SPAM TO YOUR OWN MAILSERVERS !!!

And thats the point:
- we are using spamassassin to identify spam for our email customers,
  sa has a plugins for putting the IP of the real sender or the
  AS-number into the header and surely the logfile
- sa can also use a feature called ALL_TRUSTED, it was introduced
  to give mail some plus points, if they originate from identified
  customers, that already provided some login information (POPAuth,
  SMTP-Authentication aso)
- so, if there is an email coming in, that
  - has a high spam score (currently is enough to set this to 20, what
    is huge for sa) and
  - the spam originated from our own dial-in-AS or -IP
... then we know immediately, that one of our customer either is
sending spam on effort, is spambotted or has whatever problem.

It even detects spambotted PCs, that are dialing in via a different
provider, but are OUR mailcustomers (through ALL_TRUSTED) and
identified here to send mail and use our mailservers.

And do you now, what we do then ?
the script that watches the sa logfile and alarmed, simply
tells our radius server to disconnect the customer with
the detected IP and changes the password !
Brutal ? no, its wise ...

And what happens then ?
the customer phones up usally 5 minutes later, we can explain
and check the situation, he is cleaning his computer and
there is one spambotted PC less in the world.


This is so easy to implement and works perfectly, we only had
a few cases so far, because we have mostly business customers
with good infrastructure, we never had a false alarm, it
stops crazy spam outbreaks and the best is:
- this method is much easier then scanning outgoing email
  from your customers, what you only can achieve by
  transparently scanning port 25 or by blocking the port
  and having all the mail coming through a outgoing
  mailserver (I guess, thats what AOL is doing) and
  I think, thats a bit hard for your customers and
  very cost-intensiv)
- furthermore, it will be really hard for the spambots to get arround
  this, because they would need to know wich email address belongs
  to what provider, surely they could check the MX records
  of every domain, check if there are similarities with
  the dialin IP to prevent sending to the same provider,
  but I guess this will be really hard for them ...

And this will remove any spambotted PC forever.

So, why not forcing any RIPE-member to detect
spam on their own incoming mailservers coming from their own
dial-in IPs ?
RIPE could simply say: implement this, or you are
not getting any more IPs, or we cancel your contract right away :o)

RIPE should force TurkTelecom (ttnet.tr) to implement this
as a reference and test implementation, this is one country
represented by one ISP and they currently cause 8% of
the spam we receive here.
Better would be: TurkTelecom should volunteer for this and
create a reference documentation and implementation based
on open-source so any provider could easily adopt from there ...
Anybody from TurkTelecom on the list ?
Come one, you owe us a lot ...


BTW: we call this method "SPAMTrusted" and there are more
details about the implementation online in German under
http://dnsbl.de/antispam.shtml


Kind regards, Frank



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