Re: [address-policy-wg] Revisiting RIPE Policy Proposal 2007-01

[Gert Doering gert@localhost]

hi,

On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 03:39:41PM -0000, michael.dillon@localhost wrote:
> > (Oh, btw, maybe I should point out that you are also "part of 
> > RIPE",
> 
> I don't chair any WGs.

"RIPE" is "all of us" - the *community*.

The WG chairing thing means I get more work to do, and I'm entitled to
wear a coloured badge at RIPE meetings -- but it doesn't make me any more
(or less) "part of RIPE" than you are.

> > So what is your point?)
> 
> Hank said that he did not get any formal notice that the fee 
> changes would be voted on at the meeting. Hank did not complain
> about any mailing lists. Hank did not complain about any working
> groups.
> 
> Hank did complain that the people in the RIPE NCC, who are
> responsible for organizing the members meeting, made some
> mistakes.

Hank complained that he did not receive the announcement mail.  This does
not necessarily mean that "the people in the RIPE NCC made some mistakes".

> Mistakes happen, but in order to fix them we need to understand
> exactly what it was that did happen and why it happened that way.

I agree with this part...

> The notices to the RIPE announcement list are irrelevant in this
> case.

To the contrary.  Mail gets lost due to SPAM filtering or other reasons
all day.  Having Message-IDs enables people to figure out whether their 
mailserver has indeed seen the e-mail (and delivered it somewhere or 
dropped it), or not.

Your assumption seems to be "the RIPE NCC is responsible for all evil in
the world".  You might want to reconsider this position.

Gert Doering
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