Re: [address-policy-wg] Revisiting RIPE Policy Proposal 2007-01

[Hank Nussbacher hank@localhost]

At 11:05 AM 04-12-08 +0000, Nick Hilliard wrote:
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> Hank Nussbacher wrote:
> > Recently, RIPE Policy Proposal 2007-01 titled "Direct Internet Resource
> > Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC" was passed:
> > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2007-01.html
>
> Hank,
>
> This was discussed many times at RIPE meetings.  Not at just one, but
> several.  The final decision to put this into the charging scheme was made
> at the General Meeting in Dubai, but it was talked about at a couple of 
> others.
...
> > Maybe I missed the discussion in regards to 2007-01 where it was stated
> > that the charging algorithm would change.
>
> Yes, you missed the discussion.  It took place at RIPE meetings, not on the
> mailing list, and for the reasons you specify: billing is outside the scope
> of apwg.
And we both know that not all 5000 RIPE members attend all the 
meetings.  That is what protocols of meetings are for.  Can you point me at 
the protocol of a meeting that mentions this will happen?
> > For example, one LIR I
> > consult to was extra small in 2008 (1300Euro) and now is medium
> > (2550Euro).  They assigned 54 ASNs between 1997-2005 and no IPv4 or IPv6
> > address space at all.  So since the charging algorithm is now a
> > retroactive recurring score, their bill doubled suddenly.
>
> Please see:
>
> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/draft-documents/ripe-new-draft2007-01-v4.html
>
> The LIR should pass on the cost to the end-users.  I calculate the cost
> increase to be ?23 per annum per ASN.  Is that an unreasonable burden?
Not at all - for new allocations.  For ASNs allocated in 1997-2005 this 
particular LIR charged a one time fee to the customers since it knew the 
rules then as they had been for the past decade and didn't think they would 
change retroactively in 2008.  So the LIR can't now go back to these 50 
customers and tell them they need to pay 23Euro/yr.
-Hank