Re: [address-policy-wg] Revisiting RIPE Policy Proposal 2007-01

[Nick Hilliard nick@localhost]

Hank Nussbacher wrote:
> Recently, RIPE Policy Proposal 2007-01 titled "Direct Internet Resource
> Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC" was passed:
> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2007-01.html

Hank,

This was discussed many times at RIPE meetings.  Not at just one, but
several.  The final decision to put this into the charging scheme was made
at the General Meeting in Dubai, but it was talked about at a couple of others.

> As has been mentioned before: the address policy WG does not have the
> power to actually decide on the final charging scheme.  We give input
> to the AGM (= annual general meeting of all NCC members), and the AGM
> decides on the final charging scheme to be implemented.
> So, regarding the *charging* component of 2007-01: the AGM can do this
> without 2007-01, or they can decide to not do anything about it, even with
> 2007-01 reaching consensus."

I think the RIPE board wanted to ensure that there was a comprehensive
solution in place to deal with the whole issue of provider independent
number resources before trying to just change just the LIR billing
component.  You're possibly right - they may have been able to change the
billing scheme without 2007-01, but that would have ended the board up with
only a partial solution to a difficult problem.

> Maybe I missed the discussion in regards to 2007-01 where it was stated
> that the charging algorithm would change.

Yes, you missed the discussion.  It took place at RIPE meetings, not on the
mailing list, and for the reasons you specify: billing is outside the scope
of apwg.

> For example, one LIR I
> consult to was extra small in 2008 (1300Euro) and now is medium
> (2550Euro).  They assigned 54 ASNs between 1997-2005 and no IPv4 or IPv6
> address space at all.  So since the charging algorithm is now a
> retroactive recurring score, their bill doubled suddenly.

Please see:

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/draft-documents/ripe-new-draft2007-01-v4.html

The LIR should pass on the cost to the end-users.  I calculate the cost
increase to be €23 per annum per ASN.  Is that an unreasonable burden?

Nick