Re: [address-policy-wg] 2007-01 Last Call for Comments (Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC)

[Jeroen Massar jeroen@localhost]

Frederic wrote:
> > > Internet still works and works with gentlement agreement, and anyway you
> > > can hijack youtube's PA with the LIR status....
> > I would say: go for it.
> >
> > It doesn't take long for you to disappear from the Internet then. A lot 
> > of people don't like other people messing with their networks.
> yes of course, so contract change nothing for a correct relationship.
> gentleman agreement works fine.
With a contract somebody can sue you, with a "gentlemans agreement" one 
can't.
What is your opposition to contracts at all? You will have to set up 
several contracts anyway already:
 - Sponsors
 - Connectivity provider (L2)
 - Connectivity provider (L3)
 - Datacenter, or separate: Power, Cooling etc
 - Security

and a lot more. You do set up those, but you don't want them for a bit 
of address space. Odd.
What do you have to worry about, that a contract doesn't suit you?


> i talk about domain for procedure to keep in touch with the holder.
>
> and after about why some domain are free (no contract and no fees), the
> must important is free to USE (because no contract).
As mentioned, when you get free stuff, it is not you who decided on how 
to use it.
> of course IP are not domain.
>
> i explain that is interesting to have the possiblity to have
> relationship with ripe when your are an internet ressource holder
> without to be be a LIR.
And to do that you will need to sign a contract with RIPE.
You will be liable and responsible for the address block that you might 
receive. This all under the conditions set forth by the community.
> but i would have the choice and let the choice to other. The contract of
> ripe will be interesting because you will have choice to say yes or no.
You have a simple two way choice:
 - you sign a contract and get your PI
 - you don't sign a contract and you don't.


> if you need PI and after you grow, you can become LIR and change you PI
> with PA and like this have a contract with RIPE.
PI can't be converted to PA. PI is for end-sites. PA is for ISP's who 
provide aggregated connectivity to end-sites.
What where your requirements again for all of this?

Greets,
 Jeroen

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