Re: [address-policy-wg] 2007-01 Last Call for Comments (Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC)

[Frederic frederic@localhost]

Le mardi 08 avril 2008 à 20:04 +0200, Jeroen Massar a écrit :
> frederic@localhost wrote:
> [..]
> > counter exemple for ?  domain ?
> > 
> > .st  .nf  or .eu.org. all are free.
> >
> > Free because 1$ some time is huge. no contract because everybody is not
> > hijacker and all idea may be possible.
> 
> You might have noticed that eu.org is not a TLD. You can of course also 
> get 'free' dyndns.org 'sub-domains' and a lot more funny ones.
> 
> For all goes: there is no contract, thus they can, at any time, just 
> delete "your" domain and you will have nothing to stand on.
> 
> The primary reasons (afaik) that folks want PI is to be:
>   - independence
>   - be sure that they can keep the address space avoiding
>     the need to change
> 
> In your 'examples', you are not independent, as you rely on the service 
> from those TLD's to a) work, b) remain free, c) remain available to you.
> Also you can't rely on it that those domains remain "yours", thus you 
> will have to rename your whole domain when that happens.
> 

You keep eu.org but you do not talk about .st and .nf. and eu.org was
made because you do not have choice today with domain. and that why i do
not want the same thing for IP.

and like i said many time, is all the freedom to have other thing
possible that the main stream.


> 
> Unfortunately for you the Internet is not anymore that startup research 
> network between a couple of schools. The Internet is commercial, and the 
> Internet is global and has a lot of participants. To make sure that 
> everybody is happy and can be kept happy, you will just have to sign a 
> little contract and keep to it, and you will just have to pay a small 
> fee for the maintenance. If you don't want either, then you will just 
> have to use all the free alternatives, which don't provide you with the 
> things you want.
> 

Today you have the possibility to do without contract. the 2007-1 say
it's over !

All goes fine.  



> As for the whining about any fees at all, those fees are nothing 
> compared to the hardware and transit costs you will have, especially 
> when you will need to buy a really big new router when a lot of sites 
> get PI, or do you expect all of that for free too? (if the answer is 
> yes, then ask the people who sponsor those things to also sponsor the 
> little bit of cash for the prefix)
> 

False. LIR FEES is huge for a non profit company with vulunteer. and
hardware and place in the internet are today not expensive. And when
that was expensive you had not money for only administartive purpose.


Main stream of the internet is commercial but today you have the
possibility to do not follow this main stream.

tomorrow is not possible because you have contract.


Internet still works and works with gentlement agreement, and anyway you
can hijack youtube's PA with the LIR status....

bst regards.
Frederic

> Greets,
>   Jeroen
>