Re: [address-policy-wg] 2007-08 New Policy Proposal (Enabling Methods for Reallocation of IPv4 Resources)

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@localhost]

I think the users will not need to push the ISPs, in general.

The fact is that there is much more IPv6 traffic that what we believe,
transition traffic, and this will impact the ISPs once they start realizing
it, hopefully as soon as possible, so they can take measures, for example,
deploying local 6to4 and Teredo relays, so the RTT get lower and IPv6
connectivity improves. Of course, only as a temporary measure until they can
provide dual-stack in the access and customers have dual-stack enabled CPEs,
possibly with other reasons for replacing them, such as new broadband
technologies (more bandwidth, etc.).

Here is my talk in the last meeting plenary with the traffic stats ...
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-55/presentations/palet-v6.pdf

Looking for a more global measurement, so I can report a much broader view,
but I don't think it will change too much from what I've seen already :-)

Regards,
Jordi




> De: Tim Streater <tim.streater@localhost
> Responder a: address-policy-wg-admin@localhost
> Fecha: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:06:15 +0000
> Para: Mark Pace Balzan mpb@localhost, Max Tulyev
> president@localhost, address-policy-wg@localhost
> Asunto: RE: [address-policy-wg] 2007-08 New Policy Proposal (Enabling Methods
> for Reallocation of IPv4 Resources)
> 
> At 15:14 29/10/2007, Mark Pace Balzan wrote:
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> IPv6 Internet is working even now, but completely useless. Because of
>>> there is no resources at all.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, the concrete goal is make 51% of _resources_
>>> (not users)
>>> to be reachable through IPv6 before we run out of IPv4. If it
>>> succeeds,
>>> other 49% will go with "the majority", if not - IPv6 migration
>>> completely fails and something other (NAT, secondary market of IPv4,
>>> higher level proxies over non-IP protocols, ...) will be implemented
>>> instead.
>>> 
>> 
>> my 2c worth:
>> 
>> v4 and v6 will co-exist for a while, whether we like it or not, and
>> therefore v4 and v6 stuff will need a way to get to each other depending
>> on the service at hand.
> 
> 
> They will co-exist for a long while due to lack of pressure from the users. If
> v4 really runs out, there will start to be some parts of the Internet that are
> not accessible to some users. Then they will complain to their ISP and
> something starts to
> happen. Then it gets in the mainstream press, at which point you may see a
> more rapid transition. Plenty of people will however say, why should I bother
> to get a new xxx box when I can reach all sites I care about.
> 
> Unless the govts get involved, of course.
> 
> -- Tim
> 




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