Re: [address-policy-wg] Revised Draft Document for review: "IPv4Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region"

[Janos Zsako <]

Dear Leo,

Thank you for your reply and for your explanations.

I am afraid I still do not understand something about the AW
(and I have a comment below).

> > 5. I have the impression that the AW applied to an End User network
> > (paragraph 7.0) is not clear enough, so I suggest adding a couple of new
> > words:
> >
> > "An AW can be applied to an End User network once per 12-month period.
> > This means an LIR can make more than one assignment to an End User
> > _in_any_such_12_months'_period, but the total amount of address space
> I think this should be added to improve clarity but...
>
> > cannot be larger than the LIR's AW. An LIR's AW is considered unused on
> > the anniversary of the first (?!? I would think _last_) assignment to
> > the End User._After_the_exhaustion_of_the_AW, the LIR may only assign
> > additional addresses to the same End User after approval from the RIPE
> > NCC.
> >
> > (In one of the sentences above I have the impression that first should
> > be changed to last - did I misunderstood something?)
>
> ... I think the ambiguity in the wording here reflects the ambiguity in 
> the policy. We could update the wording to use the word "last" but that 
> would make the policy more strict than it is at the moment. At some 
> point it would be useful to review and rationalise the current AW 
> policy. It is fairly complicated to document and so fairly documented to 
> use. It would be good (after publishing this updated document, I hope) 
> to take a new look at this part of the policy.
I quote below the relevant part of RIPE-234:

"
5.2.5.2 Assignment Window for End User Assignments

An LIR can apply their Assignment Window to an End User network only once in
any 12-month period. This means that if an LIR makes more than one assignment
to an organisation, the total amount of address space assigned with their AW
in any twelve month period may not exceed the LIR's AW size. The LIR may only
assign additional addresses to the same organisation after approval from the
RIPE NCC.
"

In my view, this means that I may for example assign an AW worth of
address space to the End User on 1 January of every year (assuming
that I make no further assignments during the year).

I also understand that the AW is unused at a moment in time, if at that
moment I am allowed to assign an AW worth of address space (to that
particular End User).

In the above example, let's assume that I started assigning address space
to the End User on 1 January 2000. The last time I have therefore assigned
to them was 1 January 2003. If I read the text of the Draft, this
means that my AW (with respect to that End User) is UNUSED, as it has
to be considered unused starting 1 January 2001 (the anniversary of
the FIRST assignement). My undertsanding is that it should read "LAST",
therefore the AW would have to be considered unused starting 1 January
2004.

Did I misunderstand something?


> Emma Apted <emma.apted@localhost wrote:
...

> In cases like this LIRs can send us requests for PI assignments for 
> their customers. Currently, the RIPE NCC doesn't provide registration 
> services directly to End Users.
My understanding so far was that there are LIRs that have PI allocations,
so they can assign PI space to there customers, and there are LIRs who
do not have such an allocation. These latter are, however, able to
support End Users in getting PI address space by sending these requests
to the RIPE NCC (on behalf of the End User, i.e. the End User would not
have to, and should not contact the RIPE NCC directly).

I agree with Emma that what you state above (and what I hope I have
detailed further correctly) is not obvious form the document. It may be
a good idea to add some text that clarifies this...


Thanks and regards,
Janos