From ozgit at metu.edu.tr Sun May 14 14:40:50 2000 From: ozgit at metu.edu.tr (Attila Ozgit) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:40:50 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: [queue #24742] (sales) *** VERY URGENT *** .gen.tr .gen.tr] Message-ID: <391E9ED2.567AEB96@metu.edu.tr> [Sorry for cross-posting] Does anybody have any suggestion regarding to how I should pursue this matter? I already (Friday) send e-mail to "icann at icann.org". Best Regards. Attila Ozgit ".tr" ccTLD Administrator -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Steve Keyser via RT Subject: [queue #24742] (sales) *** VERY URGENT *** .gen.tr .gen.tr Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:36:35 -0600 (MDT) Size: 1972 Url: https://www.ripe.net/mailman/private/tld-wg/attachments/20000514/17831092/attachment.mht From randy at psg.com Sun May 14 14:54:04 2000 From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 05:54:04 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [queue #24742] (sales) *** VERY URGENT *** .gen.tr .gen.tr] References: <391E9ED2.567AEB96@metu.edu.tr> Message-ID: > Does anybody have any suggestion regarding to how I should pursue this > matter? I already (Friday) send e-mail to "icann at icann.org". that should keep you frustrated. :-) what is the actual problem? as the delegations are hierarchic, it would seem that those with authority to delegate gen.tr have done so. randy -------- Logged at Sun May 14 15:36:07 CEST 2000 --------- From ozgit at metu.edu.tr Sun May 14 15:31:36 2000 From: ozgit at metu.edu.tr (Attila Ozgit) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:31:36 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: [queue #24742] (sales) *** VERY URGENT *** .gen.tr .gen.tr] References: <391E9ED2.567AEB96@metu.edu.tr> Message-ID: <391EAAB8.DC5A704B@metu.edu.tr> Randy Bush wrote: > that should keep you frustrated. :-) > > what is the actual problem? as the delegations are hierarchic, it would > seem that those with authority to delegate gen.tr have done so. I am the ccTLD Administrator for ".tr". Our DNS server (for .tr) and all our secondaries has all information regarding to subdomains (.net.tr, .com.tr, .gen.tr, etc.), and we have *not* delegated .gen.tr. "tera-byte.com" (a company in Canada) is keeping incorrect (possibly malicious) pointer for .gen.tr. Try to query any names under .gen.tr, it is pointing to our servers; these guys (terabyte.com) DNS server is pointing to an incorrect host. Worse than that, they allow people to register ".gen.tr". They may also allow other subdomains of other countries to be registered. -attila -------- Logged at Sun May 14 15:42:38 CEST 2000 --------- From randy at psg.com Sun May 14 15:42:14 2000 From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 06:42:14 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [queue #24742] (sales) *** VERY URGENT *** .gen.tr .gen.tr] References: <391E9ED2.567AEB96@metu.edu.tr> <391EAAB8.DC5A704B@metu.edu.tr> Message-ID: > I am the ccTLD Administrator for ".tr". Our DNS server (for .tr) and all our > secondaries has all information regarding to subdomains (.net.tr, .com.tr, > .gen.tr, etc.), and we have *not* delegated .gen.tr. hmmmm. then why the following? rip.psg.com:/usr/home/randy> dig +norec @NS1.METU.EDU.tr. gen.tr. ns ; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> +norec @NS1.METU.EDU.tr. gen.tr. ns ; (1 server found) ;; res options: init defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 13140 ;; flags: qr aa ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 3 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; gen.tr, type = NS, class = IN ;; ANSWER SECTION: gen.tr. 1D IN NS ns2.metu.edu.tr. gen.tr. 1D IN NS ns.ulak.net.tr. gen.tr. 1D IN NS ns1.metu.edu.tr. clearly the servers for tr have delegated gen.tr. > "tera-byte.com" (a company in Canada) is keeping incorrect (possibly > malicious) pointer for .gen.tr. but, if they are not in the delegation chain, who cares? it is like a little boy in a closed room screaming "i am harry truman." randy -------- Logged at Sun May 14 15:46:07 CEST 2000 --------- From ozgit at metu.edu.tr Sun May 14 15:52:41 2000 From: ozgit at metu.edu.tr (Attila Ozgit) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:52:41 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: [queue #24742] (sales) *** VERY URGENT *** .gen.tr .gen.tr] References: <391E9ED2.567AEB96@metu.edu.tr> <391EAAB8.DC5A704B@metu.edu.tr> Message-ID: <391EAFA9.56FCE8AA@metu.edu.tr> Randy Bush wrote: > > clearly the servers for tr have delegated gen.tr. Yes, only to our secondaries. > > "tera-byte.com" (a company in Canada) is keeping incorrect (possibly > > malicious) pointer for .gen.tr. > > but, if they are not in the delegation chain, who cares? it is like a > little boy in a closed room screaming "i am harry truman." Not a very closed room actually :-) Problem is; some large ISP's in Turkey are resolving names from tera-byte.com (I don't know why), and some (possibly 10-20) thousands of users are being affected from that. In tera-byte.com servers 2000+ names under .gen.tr have all been mapped to a single domain (mardin.gen.tr). -attila -------- Logged at Sun May 14 16:01:48 CEST 2000 --------- From randy at psg.com Sun May 14 16:01:26 2000 From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:01:26 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [queue #24742] (sales) *** VERY URGENT *** .gen.tr .gen.tr] References: <391E9ED2.567AEB96@metu.edu.tr> <391EAAB8.DC5A704B@metu.edu.tr> <391EAFA9.56FCE8AA@metu.edu.tr> Message-ID: > roblem is; some large ISP's in Turkey are resolving names from > tera-byte.com (I don't know why) very old resolver software? we can not force people who to listen to i.e. point their resolvers. we can only advise. so, if they choose to listen to the little boy screaming "i am harry truman," we can only presume that they make this decision as adults and get the results they wish. randy -------- Logged at Sun May 14 16:29:24 CEST 2000 --------- From ozgit at metu.edu.tr Sun May 14 16:24:20 2000 From: ozgit at metu.edu.tr (Attila Ozgit) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:24:20 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: [queue #24742] (sales) *** VERY URGENT *** .gen.tr .gen.tr] References: <200005141345.GAA17249@boreas.isi.edu> Message-ID: <391EB714.C3056FE2@metu.edu.tr> Bill Manning wrote: > As has been stated, delegations are heirarchical and so these unauthorized > delegations will not be seen, -UNLESS- one uses tera-byte.com nameservers. Unfortunately some large ISP's in Turkey are resolving names from tera-byte.com. That is why the problem came into our attention. > I expect that your legal remedies are those under WIPO arbitration or > under Canadian law. Have you had a response from the admin or technical > staff at tera-byte.com? Yes; the response was quite weird. I will attach a copy below. Regards. -attila -----Response from tera-byte.com----- no i wont delete that entry the customer that requested it would have had to make the change himself therefor he owns gen.tr and until i hear otherwise thats the way it is. > Les Eyestone via RT wrote: > > > > We have one entry that was created for the site we were to host. > > If this is not the proper DNS zone please forward the information fo rthe > > zone we need. Our DNS entries are as follows: > > > > A record (Host Record) > > gen.tr - IP:216.234.174.40 > > gen.tr in MX ivy.tera-byte.com > > *.gen.tr - IP:216.234.174.40 > > ".tr" is the ccTLD for Turkey and ".gen.tr" is obviously a subdomain under > ".tr". > > How can you possibly enter this (internationally invalid) information in your > servers? You should resolve everthing under ".tr" from a proper/well-known root > name server. > > Would you pls. delete that entry immediately? > > In the mean time, I would appreciate if you could supply the identity (and the > log) information for the person/organization who made this A record request to > your servers. > > Best Regards. > > -attila -------- Logged at Sun May 14 16:39:55 CEST 2000 --------- From ozgit at metu.edu.tr Sun May 14 16:35:05 2000 From: ozgit at metu.edu.tr (Attila Ozgit) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:35:05 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: [queue #24742] (sales) *** VERY URGENT *** .gen.tr .gen.tr] References: <391E9ED2.567AEB96@metu.edu.tr> <391EAAB8.DC5A704B@metu.edu.tr> <391EAFA9.56FCE8AA@metu.edu.tr> Message-ID: <391EB999.55EDF22C@metu.edu.tr> Randy Bush wrote: > only advise. so, if they choose to listen to the little boy screaming "i am > harry truman," we can only presume that they make this decision as adults > and get the results they wish. Absolutely true. But those adults are not telling their thousand of users that the problem is directly related with their choice ;-) -attila -------- Logged at Sun May 14 17:13:57 CEST 2000 --------- From randy at psg.com Sun May 14 17:06:52 2000 From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [queue #24742] (sales) *** VERY URGENT *** .gen.tr .gen.tr] References: <391E9ED2.567AEB96@metu.edu.tr> <391EAAB8.DC5A704B@metu.edu.tr> <391EAFA9.56FCE8AA@metu.edu.tr> <391EB999.55EDF22C@metu.edu.tr> Message-ID: > But those adults are not telling their thousand of users that > the problem is directly related with their choice ;-) so the users will learn to buy from better providers. randy -------- Logged at Sun Jun 10 10:13:54 CEST 2001 ---------