From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Tue Jun 5 14:01:24 2007 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:01:24 +0300 Subject: [regional-ukraine] [Fwd: Draft billing Ukraine documents] In-Reply-To: <465C385B.1080205@ripe.net> References: <465C385B.1080205@ripe.net> Message-ID: <46655094.7070208@netassist.kiev.ua> Dear Jochem, Sorry, I didn't find there Ukrainian (or at least Russian, it is worse, but also valid in my bank) translation of these papers. We really need it. Jochem de Ruig wrote: > Dear all, > > My apologies, I was under the impression this mail had gone out last > week Monday but I send it to an incorrect mail address. Pavel thanks for > bringing this to my attention. > > Am awaiting your feedback on the documents. > > Regards, > > > Jochem de Ruig > RIPE NCC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Draft billing Ukraine documents > From: > Jochem de Ruig > Date: > Tue, 22 May 2007 15:22:32 +0200 > To: > regional-ukraine-admin at ripe.net > > To: > regional-ukraine-admin at ripe.net > > > Dear all, > > Hereby the proposed documents for making payments to the RIPE NCC. As > the RIPE NCC has done for our Russian registries, the documents will be > structured per invoice. A specific Service Agreement and an Act of > Acceptance are included. > > And as discussed in Kiev in March, the documents will be based on the > following: > - No NBU (National Bank of Ukraine) license is needed > - Ukrainian VAT is applicable > - The documents are in English > - Your bank details are needed on the invoice and on the Act of > Acceptance. These will have to be filled out by yourself on the invoice > upon receipt, the RIPE NCC will not keep a record of your bank account > details. > > I am hoping to implement this structure before we send out the Q3 > invoices in June so please send me your feedback on these documents and > on the proposed structure. > > Kind regards, > > > Jochem de Ruig > RIPE NCC -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From jochem at ripe.net Tue Jun 5 14:46:15 2007 From: jochem at ripe.net (Jochem de Ruig) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:46:15 +0200 Subject: [regional-ukraine] [Fwd: Draft billing Ukraine documents] In-Reply-To: <46655094.7070208@netassist.kiev.ua> References: <465C385B.1080205@ripe.net> <46655094.7070208@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <46655B17.5060005@ripe.net> Dear Max and all, >From our meeting in Kiev I got the impression you did not need a copy in Ukrainian or Russian. Have I misunderstood this and is it a requirement for you to have a copy in Ukrainian or Russian? Regards, Jochem Max Tulyev wrote: > Dear Jochem, > > Sorry, I didn't find there Ukrainian (or at least Russian, it is worse, > but also valid in my bank) translation of these papers. We really need it. > > Jochem de Ruig wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> My apologies, I was under the impression this mail had gone out last >> week Monday but I send it to an incorrect mail address. Pavel thanks for >> bringing this to my attention. >> >> Am awaiting your feedback on the documents. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Jochem de Ruig >> RIPE NCC >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> Draft billing Ukraine documents >> From: >> Jochem de Ruig >> Date: >> Tue, 22 May 2007 15:22:32 +0200 >> To: >> regional-ukraine-admin at ripe.net >> >> To: >> regional-ukraine-admin at ripe.net >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> Hereby the proposed documents for making payments to the RIPE NCC. As >> the RIPE NCC has done for our Russian registries, the documents will be >> structured per invoice. A specific Service Agreement and an Act of >> Acceptance are included. >> >> And as discussed in Kiev in March, the documents will be based on the >> following: >> - No NBU (National Bank of Ukraine) license is needed >> - Ukrainian VAT is applicable >> - The documents are in English >> - Your bank details are needed on the invoice and on the Act of >> Acceptance. These will have to be filled out by yourself on the invoice >> upon receipt, the RIPE NCC will not keep a record of your bank account >> details. >> >> I am hoping to implement this structure before we send out the Q3 >> invoices in June so please send me your feedback on these documents and >> on the proposed structure. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> Jochem de Ruig >> RIPE NCC > > From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Tue Jun 5 15:11:45 2007 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:11:45 +0300 Subject: [regional-ukraine] [Fwd: Draft billing Ukraine documents] In-Reply-To: <46655B17.5060005@ripe.net> References: <465C385B.1080205@ripe.net> <46655094.7070208@netassist.kiev.ua> <46655B17.5060005@ripe.net> Message-ID: <46656111.40704@netassist.kiev.ua> Dear Jochem, It is not a law requirement. But! :( Banks requires legal translation, legal translation requires even contacting your embassy and so on... so it is much better if it will be, as in Russian one. Jochem de Ruig wrote: > Dear Max and all, > >>From our meeting in Kiev I got the impression you did not need a copy in > Ukrainian or Russian. Have I misunderstood this and is it a requirement > for you to have a copy in Ukrainian or Russian? > > Regards, > > > Jochem > > Max Tulyev wrote: >> Dear Jochem, >> >> Sorry, I didn't find there Ukrainian (or at least Russian, it is worse, >> but also valid in my bank) translation of these papers. We really need it. >> >> Jochem de Ruig wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> My apologies, I was under the impression this mail had gone out last >>> week Monday but I send it to an incorrect mail address. Pavel thanks for >>> bringing this to my attention. >>> >>> Am awaiting your feedback on the documents. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Jochem de Ruig >>> RIPE NCC >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: >>> Draft billing Ukraine documents >>> From: >>> Jochem de Ruig >>> Date: >>> Tue, 22 May 2007 15:22:32 +0200 >>> To: >>> regional-ukraine-admin at ripe.net >>> >>> To: >>> regional-ukraine-admin at ripe.net >>> >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Hereby the proposed documents for making payments to the RIPE NCC. As >>> the RIPE NCC has done for our Russian registries, the documents will be >>> structured per invoice. A specific Service Agreement and an Act of >>> Acceptance are included. >>> >>> And as discussed in Kiev in March, the documents will be based on the >>> following: >>> - No NBU (National Bank of Ukraine) license is needed >>> - Ukrainian VAT is applicable >>> - The documents are in English >>> - Your bank details are needed on the invoice and on the Act of >>> Acceptance. These will have to be filled out by yourself on the invoice >>> upon receipt, the RIPE NCC will not keep a record of your bank account >>> details. >>> >>> I am hoping to implement this structure before we send out the Q3 >>> invoices in June so please send me your feedback on these documents and >>> on the proposed structure. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> >>> Jochem de Ruig >>> RIPE NCC >> > > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From ppa at ints.net Tue Jun 5 14:55:56 2007 From: ppa at ints.net (Pavel A. Pisarenko) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:55:56 +0300 Subject: [regional-ukraine] [Fwd: Draft billing Ukraine documents] In-Reply-To: <46655B17.5060005@ripe.net> References: <465C385B.1080205@ripe.net> <46655094.7070208@netassist.kiev.ua> <46655B17.5060005@ripe.net> Message-ID: <46655D5C.9080405@ints.net> Jochem de Ruig ?????: > Dear Max and all, > > >From our meeting in Kiev I got the impression you did not need a copy in > Ukrainian or Russian. Have I misunderstood this and is it a requirement > for you to have a copy in Ukrainian or Russian? > > Regards, > > > Jochem > > Yes, this is requirement for our tax we translate it to Russian, but still didn't send it for audit I think, it is better for all of us to have same russian(or better ukrainian) version -- WBR, Pavel Pisarenko nic-hdl: PPA11-RIPE From jochem at ripe.net Tue Jun 5 15:32:25 2007 From: jochem at ripe.net (Jochem de Ruig) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:32:25 +0200 Subject: [regional-ukraine] [Fwd: Draft billing Ukraine documents] In-Reply-To: <46656111.40704@netassist.kiev.ua> References: <465C385B.1080205@ripe.net> <46655094.7070208@netassist.kiev.ua> <46655B17.5060005@ripe.net> <46656111.40704@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <466565E9.5060402@ripe.net> Dear Max, Okay understand. Will this be needed every time we send you a document or could we put a template with an official translation on line to clarify the English version? Regards, Jochem Max Tulyev wrote: > Dear Jochem, > > It is not a law requirement. But! :( > > Banks requires legal translation, legal translation requires even > contacting your embassy and so on... > > so it is much better if it will be, as in Russian one. > > Jochem de Ruig wrote: >> Dear Max and all, >> >> >From our meeting in Kiev I got the impression you did not need a copy in >> Ukrainian or Russian. Have I misunderstood this and is it a requirement >> for you to have a copy in Ukrainian or Russian? >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Jochem >> >> Max Tulyev wrote: >>> Dear Jochem, >>> >>> Sorry, I didn't find there Ukrainian (or at least Russian, it is worse, >>> but also valid in my bank) translation of these papers. We really need it. >>> >>> Jochem de Ruig wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> My apologies, I was under the impression this mail had gone out last >>>> week Monday but I send it to an incorrect mail address. Pavel thanks for >>>> bringing this to my attention. >>>> >>>> Am awaiting your feedback on the documents. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> Jochem de Ruig >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: >>>> Draft billing Ukraine documents >>>> From: >>>> Jochem de Ruig >>>> Date: >>>> Tue, 22 May 2007 15:22:32 +0200 >>>> To: >>>> regional-ukraine-admin at ripe.net >>>> >>>> To: >>>> regional-ukraine-admin at ripe.net >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> Hereby the proposed documents for making payments to the RIPE NCC. As >>>> the RIPE NCC has done for our Russian registries, the documents will be >>>> structured per invoice. A specific Service Agreement and an Act of >>>> Acceptance are included. >>>> >>>> And as discussed in Kiev in March, the documents will be based on the >>>> following: >>>> - No NBU (National Bank of Ukraine) license is needed >>>> - Ukrainian VAT is applicable >>>> - The documents are in English >>>> - Your bank details are needed on the invoice and on the Act of >>>> Acceptance. These will have to be filled out by yourself on the invoice >>>> upon receipt, the RIPE NCC will not keep a record of your bank account >>>> details. >>>> >>>> I am hoping to implement this structure before we send out the Q3 >>>> invoices in June so please send me your feedback on these documents and >>>> on the proposed structure. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> Jochem de Ruig >>>> RIPE NCC >> > > From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Tue Jun 5 15:48:13 2007 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:48:13 +0300 Subject: [regional-ukraine] [Fwd: Draft billing Ukraine documents] In-Reply-To: <46655D5C.9080405@ints.net> References: <465C385B.1080205@ripe.net> <46655094.7070208@netassist.kiev.ua> <46655B17.5060005@ripe.net> <46655D5C.9080405@ints.net> Message-ID: <4665699D.1080409@netassist.kiev.ua> Therefore, we dug out all laws and didn't found this requirement. But banks still asks for it. Pavel A. Pisarenko wrote: > Jochem de Ruig ?????: >> Dear Max and all, >> >> >From our meeting in Kiev I got the impression you did not need a copy in >> Ukrainian or Russian. Have I misunderstood this and is it a requirement >> for you to have a copy in Ukrainian or Russian? >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Jochem >> >> > Yes, this is requirement for our tax > we translate it to Russian, but still didn't send it for audit > I think, it is better for all of us to have same russian(or better > ukrainian) version > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From ppa at ints.net Tue Jun 5 16:02:09 2007 From: ppa at ints.net (Pavel A. Pisarenko) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:02:09 +0300 Subject: [regional-ukraine] [Fwd: Draft billing Ukraine documents] In-Reply-To: <466565E9.5060402@ripe.net> References: <465C385B.1080205@ripe.net> <46655094.7070208@netassist.kiev.ua> <46655B17.5060005@ripe.net> <46656111.40704@netassist.kiev.ua> <466565E9.5060402@ripe.net> Message-ID: <46656CE1.3010404@ints.net> Jochem de Ruig: > Dear Max, > > Okay understand. > > Will this be needed every time we send you a document or could we put a > template with an official translation on line to clarify the English > version? > > Regards, > > > Jochem > Put document on-line and send notify to this list if it will be updated -- WBR, Pavel Pisarenko nic-hdl: PPA11-RIPE From jochem at ripe.net Tue Jun 19 11:13:25 2007 From: jochem at ripe.net (Jochem de Ruig) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:13:25 +0200 Subject: [regional-ukraine] Revised billing Ukraine documents and Q3 invoicing In-Reply-To: <46656CE1.3010404@ints.net> References: <465C385B.1080205@ripe.net> <46655094.7070208@netassist.kiev.ua> <46655B17.5060005@ripe.net> <46656111.40704@netassist.kiev.ua> <466565E9.5060402@ripe.net> <46656CE1.3010404@ints.net> Message-ID: <46779E35.9020700@ripe.net> Dear all, Hereby I am sending you the dual language documents that will be available for your reference on line. 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