From pavel at parkline.ru Wed May 2 11:08:46 2007 From: pavel at parkline.ru (Pavel B. Vasiliev) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:08:46 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=CE=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= Message-ID: <4638551E.4040701@parkline.ru> ???? ??????, ???????. ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). ??????? ?? ???? ??????. :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------ Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru phone: +7(495)783-3-783 From tima at transtelecom.net Wed May 2 11:49:16 2007 From: tima at transtelecom.net (Tima Maryin) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:49:16 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=CE?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_?= =?KOI8-R?Q?executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <4638551E.4040701@parkline.ru> References: <4638551E.4040701@parkline.ru> Message-ID: <46385E9C.2070709@transtelecom.net> ?????? ????! ??? ?????? Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: > ???? ??????, ???????. > > ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. > > ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? > ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? > ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. > > ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: > http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html > > Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. > Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). > > ??????? ?? ???? ??????. > :-) From DMenzulskiy at beeline.ru Wed May 2 12:28:08 2007 From: DMenzulskiy at beeline.ru (Dmitriy V Menzulskiy) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:28:08 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Ha: Re: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?B?8M/ExMXS1svBIM7B28XHzyDLwc7EycTB1MEg1yBSSVBFIGV4ZWN1dGl2ZQ==?= =?KOI8-R?B?IGJvYXJkLg==?= In-Reply-To: <46385E9C.2070709@transtelecom.net> Message-ID: ?????? ???????? ! ? ??????? ???? ????? ??????? ? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ??????. ?????? ??? RIPE _NCC_ executive board. ? ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ??? "?????????" Tima Maryin ??: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net 02.05.2007 13:49 ???? pavel at parkline.ru ????? regional-russia at ripe.net ???? Re: [regional-russia] ????????? ?????? ????????? ? RIPE executive board. ?????? ????! ??? ?????? Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: > ???? ??????, ???????. > > ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. > > ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? > ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? > ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. > > ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: > http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html > > Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. > Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). > > ??????? ?? ???? ??????. > :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IP ????. ????????????. regional-russia-admin at ripe.net ???????? 02.05.2007 14:00:01: > Send regional-russia mailing list submissions to > regional-russia at ripe.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/regional-russia > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > regional-russia-request at ripe.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > regional-russia-admin at ripe.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of regional-russia digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=CE=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB?= > =?KOI8-R?Q? > =C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= (Pavel B. Vasiliev) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:08:46 +0400 > From: "Pavel B. Vasiliev" > Reply-To: pavel at parkline.ru > Organization: Garant-Park-Telecom, Ltd. > To: regional-russia at ripe.net > Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q? > =F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=CE=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB?= > =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= > > ???? ??????, ???????. > > ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. > > ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? > ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? > ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. > > ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: > http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html > > Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. > Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). > > ??????? ?? ???? ??????. > :-) > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. > Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru > phone: +7(495)783-3-783 > > > > > End of regional-russia Digest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ula at ripn.net Wed May 2 14:54:36 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:54:36 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_?= =?koi8-r?Q?=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE?= =?koi8-r?Q?_executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <4638551E.4040701@parkline.ru> Message-ID: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: ????????????! > ???? ??????, ???????. > > ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. > > ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? > ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? > ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? ? ???. ????????. ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. > > ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: > http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html > > Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. > Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). > > ??????? ?? ???? ??????. > :-) > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. > Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru > phone: +7(495)783-3-783 > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From president at ukraine.su Wed May 2 18:00:02 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:00:02 +0000 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> ?????? ????! ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ?????????). Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: > > ????????????! > >> ???? ??????, ???????. >> >> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >> >> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. > > > ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, > ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). > ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? > http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf > ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? > ? ???. ????????. > ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. > ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. > >> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >> >> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >> >> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >> :-) >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >> >> > > > With respect, > Larisa Yurkina > --- > RIPN Registry center > ----- > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From ula at ripn.net Wed May 2 15:15:07 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:15:07 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070502170836.A71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > ?????? ????! > > ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? > ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? > ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? > ?????????). ???????: RIPE NCC did a lot of things in Russia to make special Russian contract, and it really works now here. But there is still a lot of problems to sign and legally use of this contract because of local laws. ? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ? ??????. ??? "????????? ?????????????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ???????." ?? ? ????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ????, ? ?????? ??????. ??? ???: ?? ???? ?????. > > Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > > On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: > > > > ????????????! > > > >> ???? ??????, ???????. > >> > >> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. > >> > >> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? > >> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? > >> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. > > > > > > ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, > > ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). > > ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? > > http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf > > ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? > > ? ???. ????????. > > ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. > > ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. > > > >> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: > >> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html > >> > >> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. > >> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). > >> > >> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. > >> :-) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------------------------ > >> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. > >> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru > >> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 > >> > >> > > > > > > With respect, > > Larisa Yurkina > > --- > > RIPN Registry center > > ----- > > > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From iga at sovam.com Wed May 2 15:18:20 2007 From: iga at sovam.com (Igor V. Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:18:20 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UkU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzcw==?= =?koi8-r?B?aWFdIPDPxMTF0tbLwSDXwdvFx88gy8HOxMnEwdTBINcgUklQRSBleA==?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWN1dGl2ZSBib2FyZC4=?= In-Reply-To: <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <002301c78cbc$5ab74910$bc0343c2@sovintel.net> ??????? ?????, ????????????? ? RIPE NCC ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ? ???????????? :) ???????? ??????? ?????? *???????* ???????? ?????????? ?? ??? ??????, ????????, ?????? ????????: " Domestic contracts (LIR-User) is much simple (and in some not so rare cases - is only way) than international (RIPE NCC-User) one. RIPE NCC did a lot of things in Russia to make special Russian contract, and it really works now here. But there is still a lot of problems to sign and legally use of this contract because of local laws. In Ukraine situation is worse: at first, because of laws are more ugly, at second, there is no local Ukrainian contract. In fact, ALL of Ukrainian RIPE NCC members signed standard (unchanged) service agreement acts ILLEGALLY at Ukrainian side. Unable to pay money to RIPE NCC legally is most harmless consequence of it. A month ago Ukrainian local work group is started to make Ukrainian local contract like in Russia. But I didn't hear anything about this for other ex-USSR countries with similar laws: Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Georgia and so on. A week ago I requested from RIPE NCC Russian agreement for our registry based in Ukraine. It fits here as mostly similar legal demand and Russian language documents are still often accepted in Ukraine. But I got reply "wait for special Ukrainian agreement" from RIPE NCC. " ?? ????, ?????? ????????, ???, ???????, ????????????, ???????? ??????? ???????????? ????? ? ??????????????? ????????? :) > -----Original Message----- > From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net > [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:00 PM > To: Larisa A. Yurkina > Cc: Pavel B. Vasiliev; regional-russia at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] > ????????? ?????? ????????? ? RIPE executive board. > > ?????? ????! > > ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? > ???????, ? ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? > ??????? ????????? (? ??? ?? ????? ???????????, ??? > ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ?????????). > > Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > > On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: > > > > ????????????! > > > >> ???? ??????, ???????. > >> > >> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. > >> > >> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? > ???????. ???? > >> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, > ????? ? ????? > >> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. > > > > > > ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? > ???????????????? ????????? > > ? address-policy-wg, ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE > NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). > > ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? > > > http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.p > > df ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? > ???????? > > ????????????? ? ???. ????????. > > ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? > ??? ??????? ????????. > > ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. > > > >> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: > >> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html > >> > >> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. > >> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). > >> > >> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. > >> :-) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------------------------ > >> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. > >> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru > >> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 > >> > >> > > > > > > With respect, > > Larisa Yurkina > > --- > > RIPN Registry center > > ----- > > > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > > From cron at camelottc.com Wed May 2 15:23:40 2007 From: cron at camelottc.com (Igor Chentsov) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:23:40 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UmVbMl06IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLW?= =?koi8-r?B?y8Eg18HbxcfPIMvBzsTJxMHUwSDXIFJJUEUgZXhlY3V0aXZlIGJvYXJkLg==?= In-Reply-To: <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> Hi, Max. You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 20:00:02: > ?????? ????! > ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? > ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? > ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? > ?????????). ????, ? ????? ?????????, ????? LIR ?? ?????? ?????????????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? executive board? --- cron-ripe > Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: >> >> ????????????! >> >>> ???? ??????, ???????. >>> >>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >>> >>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >> >> >> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, >> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). >> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? >> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf >> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? >> ? ???. ????????. >> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. >> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. >> >>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >>> >>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >>> >>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >>> >>> >> >> >> With respect, >> Larisa Yurkina >> --- >> RIPN Registry center >> ----- >> From president at ukraine.su Wed May 2 18:28:56 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:28:56 +0000 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20070502170836.A71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070502170836.A71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <4638BC48.6080002@ukraine.su> ??????, ? ?? ????????????? ???????, ??? ?????????? ???-?????????? ? ?????? ? ???? - ??? "no problem"?! ??? ???, ??? ??? ???? ? ????????? RIPE NCC - ?????? ? ????? ?????, ????????, ?????? ????????, ? ??????? ?????????, ????? ??????? - ? ???? ??????? ??????? ???????, ???????? ??????????? ???????? ????????? (? ?????? ? ?????? ?????-?????? ???????), ???????? ?????? ? ??????? ? ?.?.? ? ??????????-?? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???-???????? ? ?????????????. ??????? ?????????? ???? ????????. ?????????? ????? ??? ? ???, ??? RIPE ??????? ?????? ??????, ?? ???????? ??? ????????? PI ????? ??? ?????? ???????? ? RIPE. ? ?????????? ??????, ? ??????? ??????. ??? ???? ??????? ?? ???? Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > >> ?????? ????! >> >> ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? >> ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? >> ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? >> ?????????). > > ???????: > > RIPE NCC did a lot of things in Russia to make special Russian contract, > and it really works now here. But there is still a lot of problems to > sign and legally use of this contract because of local laws. > > ? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ? ??????. > ??? "????????? ?????????????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? > ? ????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ???????." > ?? ? ????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? > > ?? ??????? ???? ???? ????, ? ?????? ??????. > > ??? ???: ?? ???? ?????. > >> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: >>> >>> ????????????! >>> >>>> ???? ??????, ???????. >>>> >>>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >>>> >>>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >>>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >>>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >>> >>> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, >>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). >>> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? >>> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf >>> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? >>> ? ???. ????????. >>> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. >>> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. >>> >>>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >>>> >>>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >>>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >>>> >>>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >>>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >>>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> With respect, >>> Larisa Yurkina >>> --- >>> RIPN Registry center >>> ----- >>> >> >> -- >> WBR, >> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) >> >> > > > With respect, > Larisa Yurkina > --- > RIPN Registry center > ----- > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From anton.pushin at dentonwildesapte.com Wed May 2 15:31:32 2007 From: anton.pushin at dentonwildesapte.com (Pushin, Anton) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:31:32 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UkU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzcw==?= =?koi8-r?B?aWFdIPDPxMTF0tbLwSDXwdvFx88gy8HOxMnEwdTBINcgUklQRSBleA==?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWN1dGl2ZSBib2FyZC4=?= Message-ID: <8A2F9B43C9572F409B0EA272AFB2A35A010F978A@moss39027.dentonwildesapte.com> Please unsubscribe me. Thank you. Anton Pushin -----Original Message----- From: Max Tulyev [mailto:president at ukraine.su] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:29 PM To: Larisa A. Yurkina Cc: Pavel B. Vasiliev; regional-russia at ripe.net Subject: Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ????????? ?????? ????????? ? RIPE executive board. ??????, ? ?? ????????????? ???????, ??? ?????????? ???-?????????? ? ?????? ? ???? - ??? "no problem"?! ??? ???, ??? ??? ???? ? ????????? RIPE NCC - ?????? ? ????? ?????, ????????, ?????? ????????, ? ??????? ?????????, ????? ??????? - ? ???? ??????? ??????? ???????, ???????? ??????????? ???????? ????????? (? ?????? ? ?????? ?????-?????? ???????), ???????? ?????? ? ??????? ? ?.?.? ? ??????????-?? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???-???????? ? ?????????????. ??????? ?????????? ???? ????????. ?????????? ????? ??? ? ???, ??? RIPE ??????? ?????? ??????, ?? ???????? ??? ????????? PI ????? ??? ?????? ???????? ? RIPE. ? ?????????? ??????, ? ??????? ??????. ??? ???? ??????? ?? ???? Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > >> ?????? ????! >> >> ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? >> ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? >> ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? >> ?????????). > > ???????: > > RIPE NCC did a lot of things in Russia to make special Russian contract, > and it really works now here. But there is still a lot of problems to > sign and legally use of this contract because of local laws. > > ? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ? ??????. > ??? "????????? ?????????????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? > ? ????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ???????." > ?? ? ????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? > > ?? ??????? ???? ???? ????, ? ?????? ??????. > > ??? ???: ?? ???? ?????. > >> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: >>> >>> ????????????! >>> >>>> ???? ??????, ???????. >>>> >>>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >>>> >>>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >>>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >>>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >>> >>> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, >>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). >>> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? >>> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf >>> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? >>> ? ???. ????????. >>> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. >>> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. >>> >>>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >>>> >>>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >>>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >>>> >>>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. 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From president at ukraine.su Wed May 2 18:41:19 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:41:19 +0000 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Breg?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> Message-ID: <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> ??????! ?????? ? ??????????? ua.netassist (???? ????????), ? ??? ?? ??????? ?????????? ????? ru.gpt ? ru.nline. ???????? ???? - ??????????? ?????? ????????? ????? RIPE NCC ? ???????????? ex-USSR (?? ?????? ??????), ? ??? ?? ????????????? ????? ?????????? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????????? ????????? ???. ??? ? ????? ?????????, ? ??? ????? ? *-wg at ripe.net ? ???? ?????? ? ?? ???? ?? ???????? ?? ????????????? ????????? :) ???? ??? ???????: - ????????? TLS-?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? RIPE ??? ?????????????? ????????? ??????? (??? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????? ????????) - ???????? ?????-??????? ????????? DNSSEC ? .RU (?????-??????????? ???? ? ???????????? ?????????? ? ??????) - ????????? IPv6 ? ???? ?????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ????????????? DNSSEC backresolve ??? ????????: - ???????????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????? ????? RIPE ? ????????? ?????????????? IP-??????? ??-?? ????????? ????? ??????????. ?????? ????? LIR'?? ???? ????????? ? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ????????? ? ??????. - ??????? ?????? ???????? .SU. ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? - ?? ??? ?? ???? ??????, ??? ?????-?????? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????. Igor Chentsov wrote: > Hi, Max. > > You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 20:00:02: > >> ?????? ????! > >> ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? >> ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? >> ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? >> ?????????). > ????, ? ????? ?????????, ????? LIR ?? ?????? ?????????????? ?????? > ??????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? executive board? > > --- > cron-ripe > >> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: >>> >>> ????????????! >>> >>>> ???? ??????, ???????. >>>> >>>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >>>> >>>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >>>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >>>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >>> >>> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, >>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). >>> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? >>> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf >>> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? >>> ? ???. ????????. >>> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. >>> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. >>> >>>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >>>> >>>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >>>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >>>> >>>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >>>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >>>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> With respect, >>> Larisa Yurkina >>> --- >>> RIPN Registry center >>> ----- >>> > > > > > > > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From iga at sovam.com Wed May 2 14:48:56 2007 From: iga at sovam.com (Igor V. Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:48:56 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UkU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIEhhOiBSZTogW3JlZ2lvbmFsLQ==?= =?koi8-r?B?cnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLWy8EgzsHbxcfPIMvBzsTJxMHUwSDXIFJJUEUgZXg=?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWN1dGl2ZSBib2FyZC4=?= In-Reply-To: References: <46385E9C.2070709@transtelecom.net> Message-ID: <000601c78cb8$40797040$bc0343c2@sovintel.net> ?????, ????????, ? ???????????? ???????, ? ?? ? ????????? :) > -----Original Message----- > From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net > [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Dmitriy > V Menzulskiy > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:28 PM > To: Tima Maryin > Cc: regional-russia at ripe.net > Subject: [regional-russia] Ha: Re: [regional-russia] > ????????? ?????? ????????? ? RIPE executive board. > > ?????? ???????? ! > > ? ??????? ???? ????? ??????? ? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? > ??????? ??????. > ?????? ??? RIPE _NCC_ executive board. > > ? ?????????, > > ??????? ??????????? > ??? "?????????" > > > > > Tima Maryin > ??: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net > 02.05.2007 13:49 > > ???? > pavel at parkline.ru > ????? > regional-russia at ripe.net > ???? > Re: [regional-russia] ????????? ?????? ????????? ? RIPE > executive board. > > > > > > > ?????? ????! > > > > ??? ?????? > > > > > Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: > > ???? ??????, ???????. > > > > ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. > > > > ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? > ???????. ???? > > ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, > ????? ? ????? > > ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. > > > > ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: > > http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html > > > > Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. > > Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). > > > > ??????? ?? ???? ??????. > > :-) > > > > From pavel at parkline.ru Wed May 2 16:22:31 2007 From: pavel at parkline.ru (Pavel B. Vasiliev) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 18:22:31 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Ha: regional-russia digest, Vol 1 #52 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46389EA7.4050403@parkline.ru> ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ? ????????, ? ??????, ??? ??? ??????????? ????? ????? ??? ? ????? ? EB RIPE, ?????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????? LIR, ?????????? ??? ????????? ??????? ??????????/????????????? ???????? (?????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ????? ???? - ??? ??? ????? ????????). ?? ? ???????????, ?? ? ???? ??????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ?????. ????? ????, ?????????? ????? ????? ??? ? ??????, ??? ? ?? ?????????? ????????. ?? ? ?????????? ???? ?????????? ????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????, ?? ? ? ???????? ????. ?? ? ?????????, ??? ??????????? - ???? ?? ??? ????, ??? ???????????. ??????, ???????, ????? ?? ????. ??????????? ????????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ??????? ???, ???????, ???????, ?????? ???-?? (??????) ?????? ??????! ??????? ?? ??????? ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ????? ? EB - ??? ???-??. ???????, ??????? ??????????? ??????????? ????????????????, ??????????? ?????? ? ?????????? ???????? - ??? ????????. ???????, ?????? ??????????? ?????????? ? ????????? RIPE ? ???????? ????????????????? - ??? ???????????. S.Shaytanov at transtk.ru wrote: > ?????? ????. > > > ? ?? ??????, ??? ???? ??????????? ??????????. > ? ????? ??? ????? ?????????, ????? ?????????. > > > > ? ?????????, > ?????? ????????. > > ????? ???????????? IP ????. > ????????????. > > > regional-russia-admin at ripe.net ???????? 02.05.2007 14:00:01: > > >> Send regional-russia mailing list submissions to >> regional-russia at ripe.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/regional-russia >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> regional-russia-request at ripe.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> regional-russia-admin at ripe.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of regional-russia digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=CE=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB?= >> =?KOI8-R?Q? >> =C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= (Pavel B. >> > Vasiliev) > >> --__--__-- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:08:46 +0400 >> From: "Pavel B. Vasiliev" >> Reply-To: pavel at parkline.ru >> Organization: Garant-Park-Telecom, Ltd. >> To: regional-russia at ripe.net >> Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q? >> =F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=CE=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB?= >> =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= >> >> ???? ??????, ???????. >> >> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >> >> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >> >> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >> >> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >> >> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >> :-) >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >> >> >> >> >> End of regional-russia Digest >> > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru phone: +7(495)783-3-783 From cron at camelottc.com Wed May 2 16:32:56 2007 From: cron at camelottc.com (Igor Chentsov) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:32:56 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?Re:_[regional-russia]_Re:_[regional-russia]_Re[2]:_[regional-russia]_Re:?= =?koi8-r?Q?_[regional-russia]_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1?= =?koi8-r?Q?=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board.?= In-Reply-To: <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <1508243970.20070502183256@camelottc.com> Hi, Max. You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 20:41:19: > ??????! > ?????? ? ??????????? ua.netassist (???? ????????), ? ??? ?? ??????? > ?????????? ????? ru.gpt ? ru.nline. > ???????? ???? - ??????????? ?????? ????????? ????? RIPE NCC ? > ???????????? ex-USSR (?? ?????? ??????), ? ??? ?? ????????????? ????? > ?????????? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????????? ????????? ???. ??? ? ????? > ?????????, ? ??? ????? ? *-wg at ripe.net ? ???? ?????? ? ?? ???? ?? > ???????? ?? ????????????? ????????? :) > ???? ??? ???????: > - ????????? TLS-?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? RIPE ??? ?????????????? > ????????? ??????? (??? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????? ????????) > - ???????? ?????-??????? ????????? DNSSEC ? .RU (?????-??????????? ???? > ? ???????????? ?????????? ? ??????) > - ????????? IPv6 ? ???? ?????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?????????? > - ????????? ? ????????????? DNSSEC backresolve > ??? ????????: > - ???????????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????? ????? RIPE ? ????????? > ?????????????? IP-??????? ??-?? ????????? ????? ??????????. ?????? ????? > LIR'?? ???? ????????? ? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ????????? ? ??????. > - ??????? ?????? ???????? .SU. ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? - ?? ??? ?? ???? > ??????, ??? ?????-?????? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????. ???????. ?????? "??? ????????" - ???????. ??????? ????? ???? http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2007-01.html ????? ??? ?????? ??? "?????????" (????????? ??????? ??????) ?????? PI, ??? ?????? ????????? ??????????, ???? ???????? ???????????????? ?????? PI, ????????? ? ?????????? ????????????? (???????? ??????????? ?? ??????? ??????? ? ???????????). ? ?????, ??, ????, ? ????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????. ????? ???????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ?????????. ? ?????? ?????? su - ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? :) > Igor Chentsov wrote: >> Hi, Max. >> >> You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 20:00:02: >> >>> ?????? ????! >> >>> ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? >>> ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? >>> ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? >>> ?????????). >> ????, ? ????? ?????????, ????? LIR ?? ?????? ?????????????? ?????? >> ??????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? executive board? >> >> --- >> cron-ripe >> >>> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: >>>> >>>> ????????????! >>>> >>>>> ???? ??????, ???????. >>>>> >>>>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >>>>> >>>>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >>>>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >>>>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >>>> >>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, >>>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). >>>> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? >>>> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf >>>> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? >>>> ? ???. ????????. >>>> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. >>>> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. >>>> >>>>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >>>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >>>>> >>>>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >>>>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >>>>> >>>>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >>>>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >>>>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> With respect, >>>> Larisa Yurkina >>>> --- >>>> RIPN Registry center >>>> ----- >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- SY, Igor mailto:cron at camelottc.com From ula at ripn.net Wed May 2 16:43:07 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:43:07 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <4638BC48.6080002@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070502180659.C71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > ??????, ? ?? ????????????? ???????, ??? ?????????? ???-?????????? ? > ?????? ? ???? - ??? "no problem"?! ??? ???, ??? ??? ???? ? ????????? > RIPE NCC - ?????? ? ????? ?????, ????????, ?????? ????????, ? ??????? > ?????????, ????? ??????? - ? ???? ? ????? ????????? ???? ??????. ??? ??????? ????????. ??????? ?????? - ????? ? ???? ????????, ??? ??? ?? ????????? ? ????????????? ?????????????????. ? ???? ????? ??????????? ??????? ?? LIR ???? ??????? ????????. ???? ??? ????? ???? ?????????, ?? ? ??? ???? ????? ?????. ???????? ??? ???, ? ?? ??? ?????????, ??? ??? ?? illegal. ??? ?? ??? ?????. > > ??????? ??????? ???????, ???????? ??????????? ???????? ????????? (? > ?????? ? ?????? ?????-?????? ???????), ???????? ?????? ? ??????? ? ?.?.? > ? ??????????-?? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???-???????? ? > ?????????????. ??????? ?????????? ???? ????????. ???????? ?.1 ??.3 ???????????? ?????? "? ??????????????? ? ????????????? ????????? ????????????": "????????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??????????? ?????, ??????????????? ???????? ? ????? ??? ????????????, ??????????????? ? ?????? ????? ?????????? ???????????, ? ????? ????????? ? ???? ????????????? ???????????." ??????????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? ????? ????? ??????????????. ????-??, ???? ??? ????????? ? ???????????? ? ??????? ???????????. > > ?????????? ????? ??? ? ???, ??? RIPE ??????? ?????? ??????, ?? ???????? > ??? ????????? PI ????? ??? ?????? ???????? ? RIPE. ? ?????????? ??????, > ? ??????? ??????. ??? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ?????????? ???????? ???? ???????? ?? ????????? End user. ???? End user ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ? RIPE NCC, ?? ?????? ??? ?????, ?????? ????, ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????????? LIR. ????????, ??? ??? illegal - ?????? ??????, ?????????? ?? ????????. ????? ?? ?????? ? ??? ?????????, ??? ??? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????? LIR ????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????, ???????? ? ?????. ????????????, ? ?????????? ?????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ????????????. ??? ? ? ???? ???? ???????????. ??? ??? ?????, ????????, ????? ???? ??? ???? ???????? - ???????? ? ????? LIR. ?? ?? ??????, ??? illegal, ? ??????, ????? ?????. ??? ??? ? ???? ???? ?????????: ?????? ? ??? ??????????, ?? ???? ?? ???? ??????. ????? ?? ????? ??????, ???????? ???? ????? ?? ?????, ? ???????, ?? ?????. ? ??: illegal. > > Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > > On Wed, 2 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > > > >> ?????? ????! > >> > >> ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? > >> ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? > >> ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? > >> ?????????). > > > > ???????: > > > > RIPE NCC did a lot of things in Russia to make special Russian contract, > > and it really works now here. But there is still a lot of problems to > > sign and legally use of this contract because of local laws. > > > > ? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ? ??????. > > ??? "????????? ?????????????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? > > ? ????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ???????." > > ?? ? ????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? > > > > ?? ??????? ???? ???? ????, ? ?????? ??????. > > > > ??? ???: ?? ???? ?????. > > > >> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > >>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: > >>> > >>> ????????????! > >>> > >>>> ???? ??????, ???????. > >>>> > >>>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. > >>>> > >>>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? > >>>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? > >>>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. > >>> > >>> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, > >>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). > >>> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? > >>> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf > >>> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? > >>> ? ???. ????????. > >>> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. > >>> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. > >>> > >>>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: > >>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html > >>>> > >>>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. > >>>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). > >>>> > >>>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. > >>>> :-) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. > >>>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru > >>>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> With respect, > >>> Larisa Yurkina > >>> --- > >>> RIPN Registry center > >>> ----- > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> WBR, > >> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > >> > >> > > > > > > With respect, > > Larisa Yurkina > > --- > > RIPN Registry center > > ----- > > > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From president at ukraine.su Wed May 2 19:45:42 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:45:42 +0000 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ussia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive?= =?KOI8-R?Q?_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <1508243970.20070502183256@camelottc.com> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> <1508243970.20070502183256@camelottc.com> Message-ID: <4638CE46.3020005@ukraine.su> Hi Igor, ??? ??? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????! :) ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ??????? - ?????? ???? ???????? ?????. ? ? ?? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????, ??????? ? ???????, ???????? ???? ???????????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ? ??? ?????. ??? ? ??? ????? ?????? ??, ??? ??????? .SU - ??? ??????? ????????????, ????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????????? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ?????? PI. ? ??????, ??? ???????? ??????????? ?????. ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????, ??? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????????? (??????, ?? ????, ??? ? ??????? ???? ??????????? ??????????? ????????? ????????????, ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????? ????????? LIR - ? ????? ??? RIPE). ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? "?????????" PI. ??? ????? ???? ???? ????????, ? ????? ????? ?????-?? ????? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?? ??????? ? ?????? ?? ?? ??????????. RIPE ?????? ????? ?? ????? ????????? ????? ????. ? ?????? ????????? ?????????? (1 ???? ? ???, ??????) ?????? ? ?????????? ??????? ????????? ? ????????????? ???????? ???????. ??! ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ??????? ??????????????? ?????????? ? ???????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ? ??? ???? ? ??????, ??? ????????? ?????? ?????. ?????? ????? ??????? ???-?? ????-?? ?????? ????????? ????? LIR-??... Igor Chentsov wrote: > Hi, Max. > > You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 20:41:19: > >> ??????! > >> ?????? ? ??????????? ua.netassist (???? ????????), ? ??? ?? ??????? >> ?????????? ????? ru.gpt ? ru.nline. > >> ???????? ???? - ??????????? ?????? ????????? ????? RIPE NCC ? >> ???????????? ex-USSR (?? ?????? ??????), ? ??? ?? ????????????? ????? >> ?????????? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????????? ????????? ???. ??? ? ????? >> ?????????, ? ??? ????? ? *-wg at ripe.net ? ???? ?????? ? ?? ???? ?? >> ???????? ?? ????????????? ????????? :) > >> ???? ??? ???????: >> - ????????? TLS-?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? RIPE ??? ?????????????? >> ????????? ??????? (??? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????? ????????) >> - ???????? ?????-??????? ????????? DNSSEC ? .RU (?????-??????????? ???? >> ? ???????????? ?????????? ? ??????) >> - ????????? IPv6 ? ???? ?????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?????????? >> - ????????? ? ????????????? DNSSEC backresolve > >> ??? ????????: >> - ???????????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????? ????? RIPE ? ????????? >> ?????????????? IP-??????? ??-?? ????????? ????? ??????????. ?????? ????? >> LIR'?? ???? ????????? ? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ????????? ? ??????. >> - ??????? ?????? ???????? .SU. ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? - ?? ??? ?? ???? >> ??????, ??? ?????-?????? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????. > > ???????. ?????? "??? ????????" - ???????. > ??????? ????? ???? > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2007-01.html > ????? ??? ?????? ??? "?????????" (????????? ??????? ??????) ?????? PI, > ??? ?????? ????????? ??????????, ???? ???????? ???????????????? ?????? > PI, ????????? ? ?????????? ????????????? (???????? ??????????? ?? > ??????? ??????? ? ???????????). ? ?????, ??, ????, ? ????? ??? ????? > ????? ????? ????. ????? ???????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? > ?????????. > ? ?????? ?????? su - ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? :) > >> Igor Chentsov wrote: >>> Hi, Max. >>> >>> You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 20:00:02: >>> >>>> ?????? ????! >>>> ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? >>>> ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? >>>> ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? >>>> ?????????). >>> ????, ? ????? ?????????, ????? LIR ?? ?????? ?????????????? ?????? >>> ??????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? executive board? >>> >>> --- >>> cron-ripe >>> >>>> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ????????????! >>>>> >>>>>> ???? ??????, ???????. >>>>>> >>>>>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >>>>>> >>>>>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >>>>>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >>>>>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, >>>>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). >>>>> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? >>>>> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf >>>>> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? >>>>> ? ???. ????????. >>>>> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. >>>>> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. >>>>> >>>>>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >>>>>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >>>>>> >>>>>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >>>>>> :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >>>>>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >>>>>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> With respect, >>>>> Larisa Yurkina >>>>> --- >>>>> RIPN Registry center >>>>> ----- >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Wed May 2 19:49:48 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:49:48 +0000 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20070502180659.C71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070502180659.C71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <4638CF3C.2070901@ukraine.su> ?? ??????? ? ?????-??? ILLEGAL - ??? ??? LIR ???????? (???, ??? ???? ?? ?????) ? ???????. ILLEGAL - ??? ??? LIR ???????? ??? ???, ? ???? ? ?????? ??? ???. big problems - ??? ??????????? ?????????, ? ??????? ??? ???????? ???. ????? ????? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ????! ?????? ?????? ? ?? ???? ???, ? ?? ? address-policy-wg? ???????? ? ??? ??????? ??????????? ??? ???! =) ????? ?? ??????, ?????????????? ?? ??? ????????, ??? ???? ?????! ? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ????? ???????????... Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > >> ??????, ? ?? ????????????? ???????, ??? ?????????? ???-?????????? ? >> ?????? ? ???? - ??? "no problem"?! ??? ???, ??? ??? ???? ? ????????? >> RIPE NCC - ?????? ? ????? ?????, ????????, ?????? ????????, ? ??????? >> ?????????, ????? ??????? - ? ???? > > ? ????? ????????? ???? ??????. ??? ??????? ????????. > ??????? ?????? - ????? ? ???? ????????, ??? ??? ?? ????????? ? ????????????? > ?????????????????. ? ???? ????? ??????????? ??????? ?? LIR ???? ??????? > ????????. ???? ??? ????? ???? ?????????, ?? ? ??? ???? ????? ?????. > ???????? ??? ???, ? ?? ??? ?????????, ??? ??? ?? illegal. > ??? ?? ??? ?????. > >> ??????? ??????? ???????, ???????? ??????????? ???????? ????????? (? >> ?????? ? ?????? ?????-?????? ???????), ???????? ?????? ? ??????? ? ?.?.? >> ? ??????????-?? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???-???????? ? >> ?????????????. ??????? ?????????? ???? ????????. > > ???????? ?.1 ??.3 ???????????? ?????? "? ??????????????? ? > ????????????? ????????? ????????????": > "????????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??????????? ?????, ??????????????? > ???????? ? ????? ??? ????????????, ??????????????? ? ?????? ????? > ?????????? ???????????, ? ????? ????????? ? ???? ????????????? > ???????????." > > ??????????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? ????? ????? ??????????????. ????-??, > ???? ??? ????????? ? ???????????? ? ??????? ???????????. > >> ?????????? ????? ??? ? ???, ??? RIPE ??????? ?????? ??????, ?? ???????? >> ??? ????????? PI ????? ??? ?????? ???????? ? RIPE. ? ?????????? ??????, >> ? ??????? ??????. ??? ???? ??????? ?? ???? > > ??? ?????????? ???????? ???? ???????? ?? ????????? End user. > ???? End user ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ? RIPE NCC, ?? ?????? ??? ?????, > ?????? ????, ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????????? LIR. > ????????, ??? ??? illegal - ?????? ??????, ?????????? ?? ????????. > > ????? ?? ?????? ? ??? ?????????, ??? ??? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????? LIR > ????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????, ???????? ? ?????. ????????????, > ? ?????????? ?????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ????????????. ??? ? ? ???? ???? > ???????????. ??? ??? ?????, ????????, ????? ???? ??? ???? ???????? - ???????? > ? ????? LIR. ?? ?? ??????, ??? illegal, ? ??????, ????? ?????. > ??? ??? ? ???? ???? ?????????: ?????? ? ??? ??????????, ?? ???? ?? > ???? ??????. ????? ?? ????? ??????, ???????? ???? ????? ?? ?????, > ? ???????, ?? ?????. ? ??: illegal. > > >> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: >>> >>>> ?????? ????! >>>> >>>> ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? >>>> ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? >>>> ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? >>>> ?????????). >>> ???????: >>> >>> RIPE NCC did a lot of things in Russia to make special Russian contract, >>> and it really works now here. But there is still a lot of problems to >>> sign and legally use of this contract because of local laws. >>> >>> ? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ? ??????. >>> ??? "????????? ?????????????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? >>> ? ????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ???????." >>> ?? ? ????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? >>> >>> ?? ??????? ???? ???? ????, ? ?????? ??????. >>> >>> ??? ???: ?? ???? ?????. >>> >>>> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ????????????! >>>>> >>>>>> ???? ??????, ???????. >>>>>> >>>>>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >>>>>> >>>>>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >>>>>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >>>>>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, >>>>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). >>>>> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? >>>>> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf >>>>> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? >>>>> ? ???. ????????. >>>>> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. >>>>> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. >>>>> >>>>>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >>>>>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >>>>>> >>>>>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >>>>>> :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >>>>>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >>>>>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> With respect, >>>>> Larisa Yurkina >>>>> --- >>>>> RIPN Registry center >>>>> ----- >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> WBR, >>>> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> With respect, >>> Larisa Yurkina >>> --- >>> RIPN Registry center >>> ----- >>> >> >> -- >> WBR, >> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) >> >> > > > With respect, > Larisa Yurkina > --- > RIPN Registry center > ----- > > > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From ula at ripn.net Wed May 2 17:06:42 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:06:42 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <4638CF3C.2070901@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070502185604.I71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > ?? ??????? ? ?????-??? > > ILLEGAL - ??? ??? LIR ???????? (???, ??? ???? ?? ?????) ? ???????. > ILLEGAL - ??? ??? LIR ???????? ??? ???, ? ???? ? ?????? ??? ???. > big problems - ??? ??????????? ?????????, ? ??????? ??? ???????? ???. > > ????? ????? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ????! ?????? > ?????? ? ?? ???? ???, ? ?? ? address-policy-wg? ????? ?????? ???????? ??????? ??????. ??? ???? ????????? ??????. > > ???????? ? ??? ??????? ??????????? ??? ???! =) > ????? ?? ??????, ?????????????? ?? ??? ????????, ??? ???? ?????! > ? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ????? ???????????... > ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????, ??????? ????????? ?? ?????: ??????, ?? ????? ???, ??? ???????, ?? ???????? ? RIPE NCC. ????? ???? ?????. ???. > Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > > On Wed, 2 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > > > >> ??????, ? ?? ????????????? ???????, ??? ?????????? ???-?????????? ? > >> ?????? ? ???? - ??? "no problem"?! ??? ???, ??? ??? ???? ? ????????? > >> RIPE NCC - ?????? ? ????? ?????, ????????, ?????? ????????, ? ??????? > >> ?????????, ????? ??????? - ? ???? > > > > ? ????? ????????? ???? ??????. ??? ??????? ????????. > > ??????? ?????? - ????? ? ???? ????????, ??? ??? ?? ????????? ? ????????????? > > ?????????????????. ? ???? ????? ??????????? ??????? ?? LIR ???? ??????? > > ????????. ???? ??? ????? ???? ?????????, ?? ? ??? ???? ????? ?????. > > ???????? ??? ???, ? ?? ??? ?????????, ??? ??? ?? illegal. > > ??? ?? ??? ?????. > > > >> ??????? ??????? ???????, ???????? ??????????? ???????? ????????? (? > >> ?????? ? ?????? ?????-?????? ???????), ???????? ?????? ? ??????? ? ?.?.? > >> ? ??????????-?? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???-???????? ? > >> ?????????????. ??????? ?????????? ???? ????????. > > > > ???????? ?.1 ??.3 ???????????? ?????? "? ??????????????? ? > > ????????????? ????????? ????????????": > > "????????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??????????? ?????, ??????????????? > > ???????? ? ????? ??? ????????????, ??????????????? ? ?????? ????? > > ?????????? ???????????, ? ????? ????????? ? ???? ????????????? > > ???????????." > > > > ??????????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? ????? ????? ??????????????. ????-??, > > ???? ??? ????????? ? ???????????? ? ??????? ???????????. > > > >> ?????????? ????? ??? ? ???, ??? RIPE ??????? ?????? ??????, ?? ???????? > >> ??? ????????? PI ????? ??? ?????? ???????? ? RIPE. ? ?????????? ??????, > >> ? ??????? ??????. ??? ???? ??????? ?? ???? > > > > ??? ?????????? ???????? ???? ???????? ?? ????????? End user. > > ???? End user ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ? RIPE NCC, ?? ?????? ??? ?????, > > ?????? ????, ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????????? LIR. > > ????????, ??? ??? illegal - ?????? ??????, ?????????? ?? ????????. > > > > ????? ?? ?????? ? ??? ?????????, ??? ??? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????? LIR > > ????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????, ???????? ? ?????. ????????????, > > ? ?????????? ?????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ????????????. ??? ? ? ???? ???? > > ???????????. ??? ??? ?????, ????????, ????? ???? ??? ???? ???????? - ???????? > > ? ????? LIR. ?? ?? ??????, ??? illegal, ? ??????, ????? ?????. > > ??? ??? ? ???? ???? ?????????: ?????? ? ??? ??????????, ?? ???? ?? > > ???? ??????. ????? ?? ????? ??????, ???????? ???? ????? ?? ?????, > > ? ???????, ?? ?????. ? ??: illegal. > > > > > >> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > >>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > >>> > >>>> ?????? ????! > >>>> > >>>> ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? > >>>> ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? > >>>> ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? > >>>> ?????????). > >>> ???????: > >>> > >>> RIPE NCC did a lot of things in Russia to make special Russian contract, > >>> and it really works now here. But there is still a lot of problems to > >>> sign and legally use of this contract because of local laws. > >>> > >>> ? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ? ??????. > >>> ??? "????????? ?????????????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? > >>> ? ????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ???????." > >>> ?? ? ????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? > >>> > >>> ?? ??????? ???? ???? ????, ? ?????? ??????. > >>> > >>> ??? ???: ?? ???? ?????. > >>> > >>>> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > >>>>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ????????????! > >>>>> > >>>>>> ???? ??????, ???????. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? > >>>>>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? > >>>>>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. > >>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, > >>>>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). > >>>>> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? > >>>>> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf > >>>>> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? > >>>>> ? ???. ????????. > >>>>> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. > >>>>> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. > >>>>> > >>>>>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: > >>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. > >>>>>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. > >>>>>> :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. > >>>>>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru > >>>>>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> With respect, > >>>>> Larisa Yurkina > >>>>> --- > >>>>> RIPN Registry center > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> WBR, > >>>> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> With respect, > >>> Larisa Yurkina > >>> --- > >>> RIPN Registry center > >>> ----- > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> WBR, > >> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > >> > >> > > > > > > With respect, > > Larisa Yurkina > > --- > > RIPN Registry center > > ----- > > > > > > > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From pavel at parkline.ru Wed May 2 17:18:59 2007 From: pavel at parkline.ru (Pavel B. Vasiliev) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 19:18:59 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ussia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <4638CE46.3020005@ukraine.su> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> <1508243970.20070502183256@camelottc.com> <4638CE46.3020005@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <4638ABE3.108@parkline.ru> Max Tulyev wrote: > Hi Igor, > > ??? ??? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????! :) > ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ??????? - ?????? ???? ???????? ?????. ? ? ?? > ???? ??? ???? ??? ????, ??????? ? ???????, ???????? ???? ???????????? ?? > ??????? ?????????? ? ??? ?????. ????? ???????? - ??, ??? ?????? ???????. ? ????? ??? ?????? ???????, ? ?????? ??????? ????????, ???????????? ???????????? ??????? ? ???? .SU (??????-????-???????, ???????,... ????), ?????? ??????? ????????, ??? ????????? ???????? ? .su. ?????? ??? ????????? ???? ????? "??????" ????????? (???, ??????? ????????, ???? ?? ????????) EB RIPE ? ??????, ? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ? ?????????????. ?? ???????????????? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?? ????????????, ? ??? ?????. > ??? ? ??? ????? ?????? ??, ??? ??????? > .SU - ??? ??????? ????????????, ????????? ???????????? ???????, > ??????????? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????? > > ?? ?????? PI. ? ??????, ??? ???????? ??????????? ?????. ? ?????? ??????? > ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????, ??? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????????? > (??????, ?? ????, ??? ? ??????? ???? ??????????? ??????????? ????????? > ????????????, ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????? ????????? LIR - ? ????? ??? > RIPE). > > ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? "?????????" PI. ??? ????? ???? ???? > ????????, ? ????? ????? ?????-?? ????? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?? > ??????? ? ?????? ?? ?? ??????????. RIPE ?????? ????? ?? ????? ????????? > ????? ????. ? ?????? ????????? ?????????? (1 ???? ? ???, ??????) ?????? > ? ?????????? ??????? ????????? ? ????????????? ???????? ???????. > > ??! ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ??????? ??????????????? ?????????? ? > ???????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ? ??? ???? ? ??????, ????????? ?????? ??? ? ???? ?? ???? > ??? ????????? > ?????? ?????. ?????? ????? ??????? ???-?? ????-?? ?????? ????????? ????? > LIR-??... > > Igor Chentsov wrote: > >> Hi, Max. >> >> You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 20:41:19: >> >> >>> ??????! >>> >>> ?????? ? ??????????? ua.netassist (???? ????????), ? ??? ?? ??????? >>> ?????????? ????? ru.gpt ? ru.nline. >>> >>> ???????? ???? - ??????????? ?????? ????????? ????? RIPE NCC ? >>> ???????????? ex-USSR (?? ?????? ??????), ? ??? ?? ????????????? ????? >>> ?????????? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????????? ????????? ???. ??? ? ????? >>> ?????????, ? ??? ????? ? *-wg at ripe.net ? ???? ?????? ? ?? ???? ?? >>> ???????? ?? ????????????? ????????? :) >>> >>> ???? ??? ???????: >>> - ????????? TLS-?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? RIPE ??? ?????????????? >>> ????????? ??????? (??? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????? ????????) >>> - ???????? ?????-??????? ????????? DNSSEC ? .RU (?????-??????????? ???? >>> ? ???????????? ?????????? ? ??????) >>> - ????????? IPv6 ? ???? ?????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?????????? >>> - ????????? ? ????????????? DNSSEC backresolve >>> >>> ??? ????????: >>> - ???????????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????? ????? RIPE ? ????????? >>> ?????????????? IP-??????? ??-?? ????????? ????? ??????????. ?????? ????? >>> LIR'?? ???? ????????? ? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ????????? ? ??????. >>> - ??????? ?????? ???????? .SU. ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? - ?? ??? ?? ???? >>> ??????, ??? ?????-?????? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????. >>> >> ???????. ?????? "??? ????????" - ???????. >> ??????? ????? ???? >> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2007-01.html >> ????? ??? ?????? ??? "?????????" (????????? ??????? ??????) ?????? PI, >> ??? ?????? ????????? ??????????, ???? ???????? ???????????????? ?????? >> PI, ????????? ? ?????????? ????????????? (???????? ??????????? ?? >> ??????? ??????? ? ???????????). ? ?????, ??, ????, ? ????? ??? ????? >> ????? ????? ????. ????? ???????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? >> ?????????. >> ? ?????? ?????? su - ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? :) >> >> >>> Igor Chentsov wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Max. >>>> >>>> You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 20:00:02: >>>> >>>> >>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>> ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? >>>>> ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? >>>>> ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? >>>>> ?????????). >>>>> >>>> ????, ? ????? ?????????, ????? LIR ?? ?????? ?????????????? ?????? >>>> ??????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? executive board? >>>> >>>> --- >>>> cron-ripe >>>> >>>> >>>>> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ????????????! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ???? ??????, ???????. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >>>>>>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >>>>>>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >>>>>>> >>>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, >>>>>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). >>>>>> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? >>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf >>>>>> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? >>>>>> ? ???. ????????. >>>>>> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. >>>>>> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >>>>>>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >>>>>>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >>>>>>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> With respect, >>>>>> Larisa Yurkina >>>>>> --- >>>>>> RIPN Registry center >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru phone: +7(495)783-3-783 From cron at camelottc.com Wed May 2 17:23:26 2007 From: cron at camelottc.com (Igor Chentsov) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:23:26 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?Re[2]:_[regional-russia]_Re:_[regional-russia]_Re[2]:_[regional-russia]_?= =?koi8-r?Q?Re:_[regional-russia]_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB?= =?koi8-r?Q?=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board.?= In-Reply-To: <4638CE46.3020005@ukraine.su> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> <1508243970.20070502183256@camelottc.com> <4638CE46.3020005@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <418562263.20070502192326@camelottc.com> Hi, Max. You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 21:45:42: > Hi Igor, > ??? ??? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????! :) > ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ??????? - ?????? ???? ???????? ?????. ? ? ?? > ???? ??? ???? ??? ????, ??????? ? ???????, ???????? ???? ???????????? ?? > ??????? ?????????? ? ??? ?????. ??? ? ??? ????? ?????? ??, ??? ??????? > .SU - ??? ??????? ????????????, ????????? ???????????? ???????, > ??????????? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ????? ?????. ????? ????????? ????? ripe ncc ? ?????? su? > ?? ?????? PI. ? ??????, ??? ???????? ??????????? ?????. ? ?????? ??????? > ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????, ??? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????????? > (??????, ?? ????, ??? ? ??????? ???? ??????????? ??????????? ????????? > ????????????, ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????? ????????? LIR - ? ????? ??? > RIPE). ?????? ?? ? ????, ? ? ??? ??? "?????? ?? ??????? LIR" ???? ????? ?????????? ??????? ????? ???????????? ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ??? ?? PI ???????. ? ???, ????????, ?????????. ??? ???????????? ????? ????????? ? ???????????? ???????? ??? ?????????. ? ?????? ??????? ??????, ?? ?????? ?????????? ??? ?? ????? ???????????? ? ?? ??????? LIR?? :) ??? ???????? ripe ncc ????? ????????????? ? ???????????? ????????????? ????????. ???? ?????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????? ???? ? ??? LIR ???????? ????? ????????? ? ?? ????? ???????? PI ? ?? PA. > ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? "?????????" PI. ??? ????? ???? ???? > ????????, ? ????? ????? ?????-?? ????? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?? > ??????? ? ?????? ?? ?? ??????????. RIPE ?????? ????? ?? ????? ????????? > ????? ????. ? ?????? ????????? ?????????? (1 ???? ? ???, ??????) ?????? > ? ?????????? ??????? ????????? ? ????????????? ???????? ???????. ? ????? ?? ?????? (?????????? ? ????????????? ????????? ? ?? ??? ??? ??????, ????? ????????? LIR-? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ???? ?????? ?? PI ? ????? ripe) ? ripe ncc ???-?? ????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ????????? ????? ????. ????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????????. ?? ????, ????? ? ?????? PI ????? ??????????????. LIR ???????? ??????? "???????" PI ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ???-?? ??? ???????????, ?????. ??? ????? ??????????? ?????? ???? ??????, ? ?? ????????, ?????? ????? ??????????? ???????? PI ???? ?????? ???????????. --- cron-ripe > ??! ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ??????? ??????????????? ?????????? ? > ???????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ? ??? ???? ? ??????, ??? ????????? > ?????? ?????. ?????? ????? ??????? ???-?? ????-?? ?????? ????????? ????? > LIR-??... > Igor Chentsov wrote: >> Hi, Max. >> >> You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 20:41:19: >> >>> ??????! >> >>> ?????? ? ??????????? ua.netassist (???? ????????), ? ??? ?? ??????? >>> ?????????? ????? ru.gpt ? ru.nline. >> >>> ???????? ???? - ??????????? ?????? ????????? ????? RIPE NCC ? >>> ???????????? ex-USSR (?? ?????? ??????), ? ??? ?? ????????????? ????? >>> ?????????? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????????? ????????? ???. ??? ? ????? >>> ?????????, ? ??? ????? ? *-wg at ripe.net ? ???? ?????? ? ?? ???? ?? >>> ???????? ?? ????????????? ????????? :) >> >>> ???? ??? ???????: >>> - ????????? TLS-?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? RIPE ??? ?????????????? >>> ????????? ??????? (??? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????? ????????) >>> - ???????? ?????-??????? ????????? DNSSEC ? .RU (?????-??????????? ???? >>> ? ???????????? ?????????? ? ??????) >>> - ????????? IPv6 ? ???? ?????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?????????? >>> - ????????? ? ????????????? DNSSEC backresolve >> >>> ??? ????????: >>> - ???????????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????? ????? RIPE ? ????????? >>> ?????????????? IP-??????? ??-?? ????????? ????? ??????????. ?????? ????? >>> LIR'?? ???? ????????? ? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ????????? ? ??????. >>> - ??????? ?????? ???????? .SU. ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? - ?? ??? ?? ???? >>> ??????, ??? ?????-?????? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????. >> >> ???????. ?????? "??? ????????" - ???????. >> ??????? ????? ???? >> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2007-01.html >> ????? ??? ?????? ??? "?????????" (????????? ??????? ??????) ?????? PI, >> ??? ?????? ????????? ??????????, ???? ???????? ???????????????? ?????? >> PI, ????????? ? ?????????? ????????????? (???????? ??????????? ?? >> ??????? ??????? ? ???????????). ? ?????, ??, ????, ? ????? ??? ????? >> ????? ????? ????. ????? ???????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? >> ?????????. >> ? ?????? ?????? su - ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? :) >> >>> Igor Chentsov wrote: >>>> Hi, Max. >>>> >>>> You wrote 2 ??? 2007 ?., 20:00:02: >>>> >>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>> ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. ???? ???? ??? ???????, ? >>>>> ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????? ????????? (? ??? >>>>> ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ???-????????? - ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? >>>>> ?????????). >>>> ????, ? ????? ?????????, ????? LIR ?? ?????? ?????????????? ?????? >>>> ??????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? executive board? >>>> >>>> --- >>>> cron-ripe >>>> >>>>> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ????????????! >>>>>> >>>>>>> ???? ??????, ???????. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >>>>>>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >>>>>>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >>>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????-?? ???????????????? ????????? ? address-policy-wg, >>>>>> ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????? ?????????? (illegal). >>>>>> ???? ?? ????????????? ??? ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? >>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/rusfacts.pdf >>>>>> ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. ??. ????? ??. 6 ?????? ? ???????? ????????????? >>>>>> ? ???. ????????. >>>>>> ???? ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????????. >>>>>> ?.?. ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. >>>>>> >>>>>>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >>>>>>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >>>>>>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >>>>>>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> With respect, >>>>>> Larisa Yurkina >>>>>> --- >>>>>> RIPN Registry center >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> From Rom at beeline.ru Wed May 2 17:17:01 2007 From: Rom at beeline.ru (Natalya V Romashova) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:17:01 +0400 Subject: Ha: Re: [regional-russia] Ha: regional-russia digest, Vol 1 #52 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: <46389EA7.4050403@parkline.ru> Message-ID: ???????! ????? ???????? ???? ???????? ???????. ? ?????????, ? ??????, ??? ????????? ??????????? ????? ??????? ??????. ???????? ???? ??? Proxy ??? ?? ???? (? ?????? ? ???? ???). ????? ????, ???? ??????? ???????????? ???? ?? ?? e-mail ???????? 50 ?? ? ?????. ?? ??? ??? ?? RIPE-meeting ??? ?????????. ???????, ??? ?? ??? ??? ???????????? ?? ????????? ????????????. ????????? ????????? ??????????? ?? ????? ? ????????????? ????????????. ??? ???????? ?????? ? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????????????, ?? ???????? ????????? ??????? ? ???????? (??????? ??? ???? ????????) ?? ????????? ??????? ???-?? ?????? ? ???????? ? ????????. ?????? ? ?????? ????-?? ?? ??? ?????????? - ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ??????. ??????? ???????. Best regards, Head of Internet resource department OAO "VimpelCom" Nataliya V. Romashova tel. +7 909 991-(20-91) tel. +7(495)743-01-70 fax. +7(495)985-99-90 e-mail: rom at beeline.ru "Pavel B. Vasiliev" ??: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net 02.05.2007 18:22 ???? ?????? ???: pavel at parkline.ru ???? S.Shaytanov at transtk.ru, regional-russia at ripe.net ????? ???? Re: [regional-russia] Ha: regional-russia digest, Vol 1 #52 - 2 msgs ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ? ????????, ? ??????, ??? ??? ??????????? ????? ????? ??? ? ????? ? EB RIPE, ?????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????? LIR, ?????????? ??? ????????? ??????? ??????????/????????????? ???????? (?????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ????? ???? - ??? ??? ????? ????????). ?? ? ???????????, ?? ? ???? ??????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ?????. ????? ????, ?????????? ????? ????? ??? ? ??????, ??? ? ?? ?????????? ????????. ?? ? ?????????? ???? ?????????? ????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????, ?? ? ? ???????? ????. ?? ? ?????????, ??? ??????????? - ???? ?? ??? ????, ??? ???????????. ??????, ???????, ????? ?? ????. ??????????? ????????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ??????? ???, ???????, ???????, ?????? ???-?? (??????) ?????? ??????! ??????? ?? ??????? ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ????? ? EB - ??? ???-??. ???????, ??????? ??????????? ??????????? ????????????????, ??????????? ?????? ? ?????????? ???????? - ??? ????????. ???????, ?????? ??????????? ?????????? ? ????????? RIPE ? ???????? ????????????????? - ??? ???????????. S.Shaytanov at transtk.ru wrote: > ?????? ????. > > > ? ?? ??????, ??? ???? ??????????? ??????????. > ? ????? ??? ????? ?????????, ????? ?????????. > > > > ? ?????????, > ?????? ????????. > > ????? ???????????? IP ????. > ????????????. > > > regional-russia-admin at ripe.net ???????? 02.05.2007 14:00:01: > > >> Send regional-russia mailing list submissions to >> regional-russia at ripe.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/regional-russia >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> regional-russia-request at ripe.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> regional-russia-admin at ripe.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of regional-russia digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=CE=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB?= >> =?KOI8-R?Q? >> =C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= (Pavel B. >> > Vasiliev) > >> --__--__-- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:08:46 +0400 >> From: "Pavel B. Vasiliev" >> Reply-To: pavel at parkline.ru >> Organization: Garant-Park-Telecom, Ltd. >> To: regional-russia at ripe.net >> Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q? >> =F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=CE=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB?= >> =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= >> >> ???? ??????, ???????. >> >> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >> >> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >> >> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >> >> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >> >> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >> :-) >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >> >> >> >> >> End of regional-russia Digest >> > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru phone: +7(495)783-3-783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tima at transtelecom.net Thu May 3 07:49:51 2007 From: tima at transtelecom.net (Tima Maryin) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 09:49:51 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Ha: regional-russia digest, Vol 1 #52 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: <46389EA7.4050403@parkline.ru> References: <46389EA7.4050403@parkline.ru> Message-ID: <463977FF.4020107@transtelecom.net> ?????? ????! ?? ???, ??? "???-??" ? ??? ???? ????? ???????? ????????? ???????? ????? ?????? :-) == ??????? ???????? ???????????????????. == Pavel B. Vasiliev wrote: > ??????? ?? ??????? ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ????? ? EB - ??? ???-??. From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 10:08:00 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:08:00 +0300 Subject: Ha: Re: [regional-russia] Ha: regional-russia digest, Vol 1 #52 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46399860.1020404@ukraine.su> Hi! ????????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ??? - ??? ??????? ???? ?????. ?? ??? ???????? ? ????????(!) 9 ???(!!!) - ??? ??-??? - ???? ??????? ???????????! Natalya V Romashova wrote: > > ???????! > ????? ???????? ???? ???????? ???????. > ? ?????????, ? ??????, ??? ????????? ??????????? ????? ??????? ??????. > ???????? ???? ??? Proxy ??? ?? ???? (? ?????? ? ???? ???). ????? ????, > ???? ??????? ???????????? ???? ?? ?? e-mail ???????? 50 ?? ? ?????. ?? > ??? ??? ?? RIPE-meeting ??? ?????????. > ???????, ??? ?? ??? ??? ???????????? ?? ????????? ????????????. > > ????????? ????????? ??????????? ?? ????? ? ????????????? ????????????. > > ??? ???????? ?????? ? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????????????, ?? ???????? > ????????? ??????? ? ???????? (??????? ??? ???? ????????) ?? ????????? > ??????? ???-?? ?????? ? ???????? ? ????????. ?????? ? ?????? ????-?? ?? > ??? ?????????? - ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ??????. > > ??????? ???????. > > Best regards, > > Head of Internet resource department > OAO "VimpelCom" > Nataliya V. Romashova > > tel. +7 909 991-(20-91) > tel. +7(495)743-01-70 > fax. +7(495)985-99-90 > e-mail: rom at beeline.ru > > > > *"Pavel B. Vasiliev" * > ??: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net > > 02.05.2007 18:22 > ???? ?????? ???: > pavel at parkline.ru > > > > ???? > S.Shaytanov at transtk.ru, regional-russia at ripe.net > ????? > > ???? > Re: [regional-russia] Ha: regional-russia digest, Vol 1 #52 - 2 msgs > > > > > > > > > ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ? ????????, ? ??????, ??? ??? ??????????? ????? > ????? ??? ? ????? ? EB RIPE, ?????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ????? > ??????? LIR, ?????????? ??? ????????? ??????? ??????????/????????????? > ???????? (?????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ? ??????? > ??? ????? ???? - ??? ??? ????? ????????). ?? ? ???????????, ?? ? ???? > ??????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ?????. ????? ????, ?????????? ????? ????? > ??? ? ??????, ??? ? ?? ?????????? ????????. ?? ? ?????????? ???? > ?????????? ????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????, ?? ? ? ???????? ????. > > ?? ? ?????????, ??? ??????????? - ???? ?? ??? ????, ??? ???????????. > ??????, ???????, ????? ?? ????. ??????????? ????????????? ?? > ?????????????? ??? ??????? ???, ???????, ???????, ?????? ???-?? (??????) > ?????? ??????! ??????? ?? ??????? ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ????? ? EB - > ??? ???-??. ???????, ??????? ??????????? ??????????? ????????????????, > ??????????? ?????? ? ?????????? ???????? - ??? ????????. ???????, ?????? > ??????????? ?????????? ? ????????? RIPE ? ???????? ????????????????? - > ??? ???????????. > > > > > S.Shaytanov at transtk.ru wrote: >> ?????? ????. >> >> >> ? ?? ??????, ??? ???? ??????????? ??????????. >> ? ????? ??? ????? ?????????, ????? ?????????. >> >> >> >> ? ?????????, >> ?????? ????????. >> >> ????? ???????????? IP ????. >> ????????????. >> >> >> regional-russia-admin at ripe.net ???????? 02.05.2007 14:00:01: >> >> >>> Send regional-russia mailing list submissions to >>> regional-russia at ripe.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/regional-russia >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> regional-russia-request at ripe.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> regional-russia-admin at ripe.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of regional-russia digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=CE=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB?= >>> =?KOI8-R?Q? >>> =C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= (Pavel B. >>> >> Vasiliev) >> >>> --__--__-- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:08:46 +0400 >>> From: "Pavel B. Vasiliev" >>> Reply-To: pavel at parkline.ru >>> Organization: Garant-Park-Telecom, Ltd. >>> To: regional-russia at ripe.net >>> Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q? >>> =F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=CE=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB?= >>> =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= >>> >>> ???? ??????, ???????. >>> >>> ? executive board RIPE ????? ?????????? ??????. >>> >>> ??????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? - ??????? ???????. ???? >>> ??????? ? ??? "??????-????-???????" ? 2003 ?? 2006 ???, ????? ? ????? >>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????????. >>> >>> ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????, ???????? ???: >>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/proxy.html >>> >>> Proxy Voter'?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? (Nataliya V. >>> Romashova, rom at beeline.ru). >>> >>> ??????? ?? ???? ??????. >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. >>> Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru >>> phone: +7(495)783-3-783 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> End of regional-russia Digest >>> >> >> > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Sincerely yours, Pavel B. Vasiliev, CIO. > Garant-Park-Telecom ISP Co, http://gpt.ru > phone: +7(495)783-3-783 > > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 10:15:05 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:15:05 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ussia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive?= =?KOI8-R?Q?_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <418562263.20070502192326@camelottc.com> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> <1508243970.20070502183256@camelottc.com> <4638CE46.3020005@ukraine.su> <418562263.20070502192326@camelottc.com> Message-ID: <46399A09.8010402@ukraine.su> Igor Chentsov wrote: > ?? ?? ????? ?????. ????? ????????? ????? ripe ncc ? ?????? su? > ?????????? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????????? ?????: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/dns-wg/2006/msg00177.html > ?????? ?? ? ????, ? ? ??? ??? "?????? ?? ??????? LIR" ???? ????? > ?????????? ??????? ????? ???????????? ?????????, ? ?? ????????? > ???????? ????????????? ??? ?? PI ???????. ? ???, ????????, ?????????. ??? > ???????????? ????? ????????? ? ???????????? ???????? ??? ?????????. > ? ?????? ??????? ??????, ?? ?????? ?????????? ??? ?? ????? > ???????????? ? ?? ??????? LIR?? :) ? ?????, ??? ????????????. ?????? ??? LIR'? ?? ??????????? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ???????, ?????? ????? ??? ??? ????????, ??????? ???????????? ?????? ?? PI. > ??? ???????? ripe ncc ????? ????????????? ? ???????????? > ????????????? ????????. ???? ?????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????? ???? ? ??? > LIR ???????? ????? ????????? ? ?? ????? ???????? PI ? ?? PA. ???????? ?? ? ?????? LIR, ? ??? ??????-??? > ? ????? ?? ?????? (?????????? ? ????????????? ????????? ? ?? ??? ??? ??????, > ????? ????????? LIR-? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ???? ?????? ?? PI ? ????? > ripe) ? ripe ncc ???-?? ????? ????? ????. > ??????? ???? ?? ????? ????????? ????? > ????. ????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????????. ?? ????, ????? ? ?????? PI > ????? ??????????????. LIR ???????? ??????? "???????" PI ???? ??????? ?? > ?????? ???-?? ??? ???????????, ?????. ??? ????? ??????????? ?????? > ???? ??????, ? ?? ????????, ?????? ????? ??????????? ???????? PI ???? > ?????? ???????????. ??????, ????? PI ??????? ?????? ??????????? - ??? ??? ??? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ???????????, ??? :) ????? ???????, ??? ???. ? ?? ???? ???????????, ??? ?? ??????????. -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From dmitry at volia.net Thu May 3 10:33:24 2007 From: dmitry at volia.net (Dmitry Kiselev) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:33:24 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLW?= =?koi8-r?B?y8Eg18HbxcfPIMvBzsTJxMHUwSDX?= RIPE executive board. In-Reply-To: <46399A09.8010402@ukraine.su> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> <1508243970.20070502183256@camelottc.com> <4638CE46.3020005@ukraine.su> <418562263.20070502192326@camelottc.com> <46399A09.8010402@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070503083324.GB59980@f17.dmitry.net> ?????? ????! On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:15:05AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > > ?????? ?? ? ????, ? ? ??? ??? "?????? ?? ??????? LIR" ???? ????? > > ?????????? ??????? ????? ???????????? ?????????, ? ?? ????????? > > ???????? ????????????? ??? ?? PI ???????. ? ???, ????????, ?????????. ??? > > ???????????? ????? ????????? ? ???????????? ???????? ??? ?????????. > > ? ?????? ??????? ??????, ?? ?????? ?????????? ??? ?? ????? > > ???????????? ? ?? ??????? LIR?? :) > > ? ?????, ??? ????????????. ?????? ??? LIR'? ?? ??????????? ????? ???? > ????? ??????? ?????? ???????, ?????? ????? ??? ??? ????????, ??????? > ???????????? ?????? ?? PI. ??????, ?? ?????? ??? ??????????? LIR ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ??????????? ????? ???????? URL? ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????: ???? LIR? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? ?????????????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ??????, ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????. ????? ????????. ? conservation, ??? ????? ?? main goals ????? ??? ? ?? ??????... :( -- Dmitry Kiselev From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 10:44:20 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:44:20 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ussia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_executive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20070503083324.GB59980@f17.dmitry.net> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> <1508243970.20070502183256@camelottc.com> <4638CE46.3020005@ukraine.su> <418562263.20070502192326@camelottc.com> <46399A09.8010402@ukraine.su> <20070503083324.GB59980@f17.dmitry.net> Message-ID: <4639A0E4.3020509@ukraine.su> Dmitry Kiselev wrote: > ??????, ?? ?????? ??? ??????????? LIR ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? > ???????? ??? ??? ??????????? ????? ???????? URL? ???? Assigned 80% ?? ????? Allocated ?????? - ??? ????? ?????? ?????? Allocated. ??????????? ?? ?? ??????, ?? ?? ?????????? Allocated - ???. ?? ?????? - ???????? ? lir-help@ :) > ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????: ???? LIR? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? > ?????????????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ??????, ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????. ????? > ????????. ? conservation, ??? ????? ?? main goals ????? ??? ? ?? ??????... :( ??? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ????????? ???????. ?????? ??? ??? ??????? ??????: ??????? ????????? LIR'?? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? Assigned ? Allocated? ??????? ?????? Assign'?? ??????? ? ???????? ?? ?????????? ?????????, ????????? ? RIPE DB, ?? ??????? ????????? [censored]?? ??????? ? ????? ??????? ???????? :) -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From ula at ripn.net Thu May 3 10:55:37 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:55:37 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLW?= =?koi8 In-Reply-To: <20070503083324.GB59980@f17.dmitry.net> Message-ID: <20070503124415.L87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: > ?????? ????! ????????????, ??????? ???????! > > > ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????: ???? LIR? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? > ?????????????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ??????, ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????. ????? > ????????. ? conservation, ??? ????? ?? main goals ????? ??? ? ?? ??????... :( > > -- > Dmitry Kiselev ? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ???????? ???????? ?????????. ??? ??????????????? ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ????????????, ??????? ?????? LIR ?????? ?????? ??????????????. ???????? ?? ?????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???????????. ?? ????, ???, ????? ? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? AS ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ???? ???????????, ? ????????? ???????????? "???? ?????? ? ???? ??????". > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 11:00:41 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 12:00:41 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ussia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503124415.L87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503124415.L87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <4639A4B9.7070403@ukraine.su> ?????????? ?????? ?????? ???: ??? ????? ?? ????? :) Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: > >> ?????? ????! > > ????????????, ??????? ???????! > >> >> ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????: ???? LIR? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? >> ?????????????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ??????, ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????. ????? >> ????????. ? conservation, ??? ????? ?? main goals ????? ??? ? ?? ??????... :( >> >> -- >> Dmitry Kiselev > > ? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ???????? ???????? ?????????. > ??? ??????????????? ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? > ????????????, ??????? ?????? LIR ?????? ?????? ??????????????. > ???????? ?? ?????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???????????. > ?? ????, ???, ????? ? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? AS > ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ???? ???????????, ? ????????? ???????????? "???? ?????? > ? ???? ??????". > > >> > > > With respect, > Larisa Yurkina > --- > RIPN Registry center > ----- > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From dmitry at volia.net Thu May 3 11:09:15 2007 From: dmitry at volia.net (Dmitry Kiselev) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:09:15 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional?= =?koi8-r?Q?-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregiona?= =?koi8-r?B?bC1ydXNzaWFdIPDPxMTF0tbLwSDXwdvFx88gy8HOxMnEwdTBIA==?= =?koi8-r?Q?=D7?= RIPE executive board. In-Reply-To: <4639A0E4.3020509@ukraine.su> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> <1508243970.20070502183256@camelottc.com> <4638CE46.3020005@ukraine.su> <418562263.20070502192326@camelottc.com> <46399A09.8010402@ukraine.su> <20070503083324.GB59980@f17.dmitry.net> <4639A0E4.3020509@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070503090915.GC59980@f17.dmitry.net> ?????? ????! On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 11:44:20AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > > ??????, ?? ?????? ??? ??????????? LIR ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? > > ???????? ??? ??? ??????????? ????? ???????? URL? > > ???? Assigned 80% ?? ????? Allocated ?????? - ??? ????? ?????? ?????? > Allocated. > > ??????????? ?? ?? ??????, ?? ?? ?????????? Allocated - ???. > > ?? ?????? - ???????? ? lir-help@ :) :) ????, ??????, ????? ?????????? ????????? ????? ? ?? ?????????????? ???????? ???????. ?? "??????? ??????", ? "meet their needs". ?.?. ??????????? ?? allocation size - needs. ?????? ?? ?????? ? lir-help@ ??? ????? ?????????????????? needs ??? ????????? /10 allocation. > > ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????: ???? LIR? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? > > ?????????????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ??????, ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????. ????? > > ????????. ? conservation, ??? ????? ?? main goals ????? ??? ? ?? ??????... :( > > ??? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ????????? ???????. ?????? ??? ??? ??????? > ??????: ??????? ????????? LIR'?? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? Assigned ? > Allocated? ?????? ??? ????? ????? - ?????. IMO, RIPE NCC ?????? ??? ????????? ??? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????. > ??????? ?????? Assign'?? ??????? ? ???????? ?? ?????????? > ?????????, ????????? ? RIPE DB, ?? ??????? ????????? [censored]?? > ??????? ? ????? ??????? ???????? :) ? ??????? ??? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ??? - ???? ?? ????? ? ??????????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???????? ????????????. ? ????????? policy, ? ??? ?????... -- Dmitry Kiselev From dmitry at volia.net Thu May 3 11:14:20 2007 From: dmitry at volia.net (Dmitry Kiselev) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:14:20 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLW?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503124415.L87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503083324.GB59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503124415.L87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <20070503091420.GD59980@f17.dmitry.net> ?????? ????! On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 12:55:37PM +0400, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > > ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????: ???? LIR? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? > > ?????????????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ??????, ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????. ????? > > ????????. ? conservation, ??? ????? ?? main goals ????? ??? ? ?? ??????... :( > > ? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ???????? ???????? ?????????. > ??? ??????????????? ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? > ????????????, ??????? ?????? LIR ?????? ?????? ??????????????. > ???????? ?? ?????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???????????. > ?? ????, ???, ????? ? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? AS > ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ???? ???????????, ? ????????? ???????????? "???? ?????? > ? ???? ??????". ??? ??????? ???????? "?????? ???????????????? ?????????? ???????, PI IP? ?????? ???? ???!" ??????? ?????? ?? ??????, ? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????. -- Dmitry Kiselev From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 11:27:49 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 12:27:49 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] PI/AS reg Message-ID: <4639AB15.3010902@ukraine.su> Hi! ???????, ? ????????? ????? ??? ??????? ?????. ????? ?????? ?? ???????????????, ?? ????????? ????, ??? ? ???? ????? ?????????? ???????. ?? ? ???????, ?????? ???? ??? ?? ????????????? ?????. ? ???, ??????????? ????? - ???, ?? ???????-?? ????! ?????? ????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? PI/AS ????????? ???????? ? ????? ?????? ????????? ???????! -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 11:31:35 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 12:31:35 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ussia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregiona?= =?KOI8-R?Q?l-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=D7=C1=DB?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C5=C7=CF_=CB=C1=CE=C4=C9=C4=C1=D4=C1_=D7_RIPE_execut?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ive_board=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20070503090915.GC59980@f17.dmitry.net> References: <20070502163932.J71389-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4638B582.9040200@ukraine.su> <703932842.20070502172340@camelottc.com> <4638BF2F.2030907@ukraine.su> <1508243970.20070502183256@camelottc.com> <4638CE46.3020005@ukraine.su> <418562263.20070502192326@camelottc.com> <46399A09.8010402@ukraine.su> <20070503083324.GB59980@f17.dmitry.net> <4639A0E4.3020509@ukraine.su> <20070503090915.GC59980@f17.dmitry.net> Message-ID: <4639ABF7.7030802@ukraine.su> Dmitry Kiselev wrote: > :) > ????, ??????, ????? ?????????? ????????? ????? ? ?? ?????????????? > ???????? ???????. ?? "??????? ??????", ? "meet their needs". ?.?. > ??????????? ?? allocation size - needs. ?????? ?? ?????? ? lir-help@ > ??? ????? ?????????????????? needs ??? ????????? /10 allocation. ??, meet their needs - ??? ??????? ??????. ? ?? ????????, ??? "??????" ??? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? "??????? ??????". ? ?? ???????????? ???????????? ??????? ????? ???????, ????? "???????? ????????, ? ??? ??????????". > ?????? ??? ????? ????? - ?????. IMO, RIPE NCC ?????? ??? ????????? > ??? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????. ...?? ??? ?? ?????? ??????, ????? ???????? ?????. ??? ??????????-?? ?????????? ????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????????? ????????????? ??????? ??????????? ?? ????? ? ?????????. ?? ???? ???? ? ? ??????! ?????????? ?????? ????????? ????? ??????. ??? ????? ?????? ???????. >> ??????? ?????? Assign'?? ??????? ? ???????? ?? ?????????? >> ?????????, ????????? ? RIPE DB, ?? ??????? ????????? [censored]?? >> ??????? ? ????? ??????? ???????? :) > > ? ??????? ??? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? > ??????? ??????????? ???????? > ??????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ??? - ???? ?? ????? ? ??????????? ??? > ????? ?? ??? ???????? ????????????. ? ????????? policy, ? ??? ?????... ?? ????. ?????? ??? "?????????? ???????" - ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????. ???. -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From ula at ripn.net Thu May 3 11:37:52 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:37:52 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLW?= =?koi8 In-Reply-To: <20070503091420.GD59980@f17.dmitry.net> Message-ID: <20070503131838.J87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: > ?????? ????! > > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 12:55:37PM +0400, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > > > > ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????: ???? LIR? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? > > > ?????????????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ??????, ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????. ????? > > > ????????. ? conservation, ??? ????? ?? main goals ????? ??? ? ?? ??????... :( > > > > ? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ???????? ???????? ?????????. > > ??? ??????????????? ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? > > ????????????, ??????? ?????? LIR ?????? ?????? ??????????????. > > ???????? ?? ?????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???????????. > > ?? ????, ???, ????? ? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? AS > > ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ???? ???????????, ? ????????? ???????????? "???? ?????? > > ? ???? ??????". > > ??? ??????? ???????? > "?????? ???????????????? ?????????? ???????, PI IP? ?????? ???? ???!" > > ??????? ?????? ?? ??????, ? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????. > > -- > Dmitry Kiselev > ?? ???, ??????. ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ??? ???. ???? ?? ????????? ?? ?????????, ?? ???????, ????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????? ? ????????? ???? ????????: ?????????????? ???????????, ?????????? ???? ???????????? ?????????", ?????????????, ?????????? ??????????????? ??????????, ?????-????????????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???? ? ?.?. - ??? "??? ??????", ??-??????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ????????????. ?????? ?????? - ?????????, ????????. ??? ??? ???????? ??????? ??????? ??????? PI ?????? ????? ??? LIR. ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ????, ????? ??? ?? ????????????? ? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ????????, ???? ?? ?????????? ? LIR? ????? ????, ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ?????????. ???? ???????? ?? ???????? ??????, ???? ???????????, ??? ????????? ?? ?????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????? ????????. ????. With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From dmitry at volia.net Thu May 3 11:49:32 2007 From: dmitry at volia.net (Dmitry Kiselev) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:49:32 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLW?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503131838.J87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503091420.GD59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503131838.J87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> ?????? ????! On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 01:37:52PM +0400, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > > > > ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????: ???? LIR? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? > > > > ?????????????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ??????, ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????. ????? > > > > ????????. ? conservation, ??? ????? ?? main goals ????? ??? ? ?? ??????... :( > > > > > > ? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ???????? ???????? ?????????. > > > ??? ??????????????? ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? > > > ????????????, ??????? ?????? LIR ?????? ?????? ??????????????. > > > ???????? ?? ?????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???????????. > > > ?? ????, ???, ????? ? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? AS > > > ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ???? ???????????, ? ????????? ???????????? "???? ?????? > > > ? ???? ??????". > > > > ??? ??????? ???????? > > "?????? ???????????????? ?????????? ???????, PI IP? ?????? ???? ???!" > > > > ??????? ?????? ?? ??????, ? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????. > > > > > ?? ???, ??????. > ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ??? ???. ?????? ???: ? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???????????. ? ??????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ??????. ???? ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ???? ???????????? ????????????, ???? ???? - ????????. > ???? ?? ????????? ?? ?????????, ? ???? ?? ?????? ? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????. > ?? ???????, ????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????? > ? ????????? ???? ????????: ?????????????? ???????????, ?????????? ???? ???????????? > ?????????", ?????????????, ?????????? ??????????????? ??????????, ?????-????????????? > ??????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???? ? ?.?. - ??? "??? ??????", ??-??????? > ?? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ????????????. ?????? ?????? - ?????????, > ????????. ??? ??? ???????? ??????? ??????? ??????? PI ?????? ????? ??? LIR. > ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ????, ????? ??? ?? ????????????? ? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ????????, > ???? ?? ?????????? ? LIR? ????? ????, ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ?????????. > > ???? ???????? ?? ???????? ??????, ???? ???????????, ??? ????????? ?? ?????, > ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????? ????????. -- Dmitry Kiselev From ula at ripn.net Thu May 3 11:50:46 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:50:46 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF?= =?koi8-r?Q?=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503124129.G41526@colt.tsua.net> Message-ID: <20070503134536.E87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Anton Turygin wrote: > > ? ?????? ?? ???????, ??? ????? ? ??? ??????? > ? ?????, ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ?????????? LIR. > ???????? ?????????? ?? ????, ?? ??????????? ????. ???? ?????????? ????, ??????? ??. ???? ???????? ??????????, ????????? ?????? ???? ????????. ?????????? ???????? ? ????????? ???? ????????????? ????????, ??? ??? ??? ???? ????????. > > -- > RAZ-UANIC > RAZ-RIPE > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From pa3op at tsua.net Thu May 3 11:54:15 2007 From: pa3op at tsua.net (Anton Turygin) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:54:15 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF?= =?koi8-r?Q?=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503134536.E87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503134536.E87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <20070503125122.E44353@colt.tsua.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Anton Turygin wrote: > >> >> ? ?????? ?? ???????, ??? ????? ? ??? ??????? >> ? ?????, ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ?????????? LIR. >> ???????? ?????????? ?? ????, ?? ??????????? ????. > > ???? ?????????? ????, ??????? ??. > ???? ???????? ??????????, ????????? ?????? ???? ????????. > ?????????? ???????? ? ????????? ???? ????????????? ????????, > ??? ??? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???????: ?? ???? ?????????? ????????. ????????, ?? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ????????????? ???????, ?? ??? ? ???????? ???????? ???????. ??? ??? ????????. -- RAZ-UANIC RAZ-RIPE From ula at ripn.net Thu May 3 11:59:25 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:59:25 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLW?= =?koi8 In-Reply-To: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> Message-ID: <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: > ?????? ????! > > > > > > ?? ???, ??????. > > ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ??? ???. > > > ?????? ???: ? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???????????. > ? ??????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ??????. ???? ??? ?????? > ??????? ??? ???? ???????????? ????????????, ???? ???? - ????????. ???? ????????? ?????? ?? ??????????. ????? ?? ??????????? ?????. ????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ??????? RIPE NCC. ???? ?? ???????? ? ????????? ????????, ????????? ?????. ? ????????? ?????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ????? ?????????? ????? ????????. > > -- > Dmitry Kiselev > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 12:01:54 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 13:01:54 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=5Bregional-russia=5D?= =?KOI8-R?Q?_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503134536.E87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503134536.E87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <4639B312.2060902@ukraine.su> "????????? ?????????? LIR" ???? ???????? ???????????? ? ?????? ???????????????. ??? ???????? ?????. Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Anton Turygin wrote: > >> ? ?????? ?? ???????, ??? ????? ? ??? ??????? >> ? ?????, ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ?????????? LIR. >> ???????? ?????????? ?? ????, ?? ??????????? ????. > > ???? ?????????? ????, ??????? ??. > ???? ???????? ??????????, ????????? ?????? ???? ????????. > ?????????? ???????? ? ????????? ???? ????????????? ????????, > ??? ??? ??? ???? ????????. > >> -- >> RAZ-UANIC >> RAZ-RIPE >> > > > With respect, > Larisa Yurkina > --- > RIPN Registry center > ----- > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From pa3op at tsua.net Thu May 3 12:04:29 2007 From: pa3op at tsua.net (Anton Turygin) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:04:29 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=5Bregional-russia=5D?= =?KOI8-R?Q?_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <4639B312.2060902@ukraine.su> References: <20070503134536.E87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4639B312.2060902@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070503130251.I47096@colt.tsua.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > "????????? ?????????? LIR" ???? ???????? ???????????? ? ?????? > ???????????????. ??? ???????? ?????. ??????, ????? ???????? "????????" ????????? ?? ????????????? ????????, ??? ??????? ????????? ?? ???????????? > > Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Anton Turygin wrote: >> >>> ? ?????? ?? ???????, ??? ????? ? ??? ??????? >>> ? ?????, ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ?????????? LIR. >>> ???????? ?????????? ?? ????, ?? ??????????? ????. >> >> ???? ?????????? ????, ??????? ??. >> ???? ???????? ??????????, ????????? ?????? ???? ????????. >> ?????????? ???????? ? ????????? ???? ????????????? ????????, >> ??? ??? ??? ???? ????????. >> > -- RAZ-UANIC RAZ-RIPE From pa3op at tsua.net Thu May 3 11:43:00 2007 From: pa3op at tsua.net (Anton Turygin) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:43:00 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLW?= =?koi8 In-Reply-To: <20070503131838.J87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503131838.J87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <20070503124129.G41526@colt.tsua.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: > >> ?????? ????! >> >> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 12:55:37PM +0400, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >> >>>> ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????: ???? LIR? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????? >>>> ?????????????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ??????, ???? ?? ?? ??? ???????. ????? >>>> ????????. ? conservation, ??? ????? ?? main goals ????? ??? ? ?? ??????... :( >>> >>> ? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ???????? ???????? ?????????. >>> ??? ??????????????? ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? >>> ????????????, ??????? ?????? LIR ?????? ?????? ??????????????. >>> ???????? ?? ?????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???????????. >>> ?? ????, ???, ????? ? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? AS >>> ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ???? ???????????, ? ????????? ???????????? "???? ?????? >>> ? ???? ??????". >> >> ??? ??????? ???????? >> "?????? ???????????????? ?????????? ???????, PI IP? ?????? ???? ???!" >> >> ??????? ?????? ?? ??????, ? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????. >> >> -- >> Dmitry Kiselev >> > ?? ???, ??????. > ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ??? ???. > ???? ?? ????????? ?? ?????????, ?? ???????, ????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????? > ? ????????? ???? ????????: ?????????????? ???????????, ?????????? ???? ???????????? > ?????????", ?????????????, ?????????? ??????????????? ??????????, ?????-????????????? > ??????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???? ? ?.?. - ??? "??? ??????", ??-??????? > ?? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ????????????. ?????? ?????? - ?????????, > ????????. ??? ??? ???????? ??????? ??????? ??????? PI ?????? ????? ??? LIR. > ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ????, ????? ??? ?? ????????????? ? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ????????, > ???? ?? ?????????? ? LIR? ????? ????, ???????? ??? ?????????? ???, ?????????. > > ???? ???????? ?? ???????? ??????, ???? ???????????, ??? ????????? ?? ?????, > ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????? ????????. > ? ?????? ?? ???????, ??? ????? ? ??? ??????? ? ?????, ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ?????????? LIR. ???????? ?????????? ?? ????, ?? ??????????? ????. -- RAZ-UANIC RAZ-RIPE From dmitry at volia.net Thu May 3 12:14:43 2007 From: dmitry at volia.net (Dmitry Kiselev) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:14:43 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLW?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <20070503101443.GF59980@f17.dmitry.net> ?????? ????! On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 01:59:25PM +0400, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > > > ?? ???, ??????. > > > ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ??? ???. > > > > ?????? ???: ? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???????????. > > ? ??????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ??????. ???? ??? ?????? > > ??????? ??? ???? ???????????? ????????????, ???? ???? - ????????. > > ???? ????????? ?????? ?? ??????????. ????? ?? ??????????? ?????. > ????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ??????? RIPE NCC. > ???? ?? ???????? ? ????????? ????????, ????????? ?????. > ? ????????? ?????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ????? ?????????? ????? ????????. ? ???? ????????? ??????? ????? ????????? ? ????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ? ipv4 address policy, ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??????????????. ???? ????? ??? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ? ????????? ???? ?????. -- Dmitry Kiselev From abramov at demos.net Thu May 3 13:26:29 2007 From: abramov at demos.net (Gennady Abramov) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:26:29 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?utf-8?Q?=5Breg?= =?utf-8?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Breg?= =?utf-8?B?aW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSBSZTogW3JlZ2lvbmFsLXJ1c3NpYV0g0J/QvtC00LQ=?= =?utf-8?B?0LXRgNC2ID0/a29pOA==?= In-Reply-To: <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <20070503112629.GA88694@demos.net> ?????? ????, ??????, ??????? ????????? ?????? (? ?? ??? ???, ? ??????) ????????? ????? ???? -????????, ??? PI, ???????? ????????-???????????, ?????? ???: ASSIGNED PI: This address space has been assigned to an End User and can be kept as long as the criteria for the original assignment are met. ? ????? ????????? ????? ? ???? ? ?????? ??????????, ????????????? ??? PI /22, ????????. ???? ? ??????? ??????????? ? ASSIGNED PA, ?????????? ??? ?????? ???? ????????, ??????? ??? ???????????? ?? ?? ????? ????????????? , ??? ????? ???????? ?????????? ??????. ? ???????, ????????, ???? ????? ??, ??? LIR, ?????? ???, ???????????? ???????????????? PI ?????? ????????????, ????-?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ????? ??????? ?????????????? ???????????? ?? ?? ????????????. ? ?????, ?? ????????? ?????? ??? , ???????, ?? ????? (??? ???-?? ?? ???????? ?? LIR Training Course ????? ?????? ?? RIPE Regional Meeting ? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ??????, ???-?? ????? "?????????? ? PI request'?? ?????? ???????? ??-?????????????"). On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 01:59:25PM +0400, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > > > ?? ???, ??????. > > > ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ??? ???. > > ?????? ???: ? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???????????. > > ? ??????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ??????. ???? ??? ?????? > > ??????? ??? ???? ???????????? ????????????, ???? ???? - ????????. > ???? ????????? ?????? ?? ??????????. ????? ?? ??????????? ?????. > ????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ??????? RIPE NCC. > ???? ?? ???????? ? ????????? ????????, ????????? ?????. > ? ????????? ?????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ????? ?????????? ????? ????????. > -- Gennady Abramov, CCNA, CCNP; Demos-Internet NOC abramov at demos.net , AGV77-RIPE From Soldatov at transtelecom.ru Thu May 3 13:41:07 2007 From: Soldatov at transtelecom.ru (Valery Soldatov) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:41:07 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?RE=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_?= =?koi8-r?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D?= =?koi8-r?Q?_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D=3Fkoi8?= Message-ID: <722BA64C637145499C9C27F2EDA71A2602171A2C@africa.denware> ???? ? ???????, ?????????? ? ????? ??????? ????? ????????, ?? ???????? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ?????????????? <<< ?????????? ???????????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????? >>> ---------------------------------- ??????? ????????, ??? ???????????? From ula at ripn.net Thu May 3 13:54:44 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:54:44 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=D0=9F?= =?koi8-r?Q?=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=B4_=3D=3Futf-?= In-Reply-To: <20070503112629.GA88694@demos.net> Message-ID: <20070503153814.L87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Gennady Abramov wrote: >?????? ????, >??????, ??????? ????????? ?????? (? ?? ??? ???, ? ??????) ????????? ????? ???? -????????, ??? PI, ???????? ????????-???????????, ?????? >???: >ASSIGNED PI: This address space has been assigned to an End User and can >be kept as long as the criteria for the original assignment are met. >? ????? ????????? ????? ? ???? ? ?????? ??????????, ????????????? ??? PI /22, ????????. >???? ? ??????? ??????????? ? ASSIGNED PA, ?????????? ??? ?????? ???? >????????, ??????? ??? ???????????? ?? ?? ????? ????????????? , ??? ????? >???????? ?????????? ??????. END User ? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ????????? ? ????. ??????? - ??? ??? ????????????? ??????????????, ??? ??? ????? ????????? ???????? ???. ???? ?? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ???????????, ????? ??? ?????????????? ????????????? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?? ?????????. ???? ????????? ??????????. ???? ? ????? ???????? ????????, ??? ????????? ?????????? ??? End User. ?????? ??? ?????? ????????, ???????????? ? ????????, ???? ? ?????. ?????? end user. >? ???????, ????????, ???? ????? ??, ??? LIR, ?????? ???, ???????????? ???????????????? PI ?????? ????????????, ????-?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ????? ??????? ?????????????? ???????????? ?? ?? ????????????. ? ?????, ?? ????????? ?????? ??? , ???????, ?? ????? (??? ???-?? ?? ???????? ?? LIR Training Course ????? ?????? ?? RIPE Regional Meeting ? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ??????, ???-?? ????? "?????????? ? PI request'?? ?????? ???????? ??-?????????????"). ??? ???? ?????! > > > > -- > Gennady Abramov, CCNA, CCNP; Demos-Internet NOC > abramov at demos.net , AGV77-RIPE > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From hunter at comsys.com.ua Thu May 3 13:51:08 2007 From: hunter at comsys.com.ua (Sergey Smitienko) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 14:51:08 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2k=?= =?UTF-8?B?YV0gUmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlWzJdOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2k=?= =?UTF-8?B?YV0gUmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdINCf0L7QtNC00LXRgNC2ID0/a29pOA==?= In-Reply-To: <20070503112629.GA88694@demos.net> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <20070503112629.GA88694@demos.net> Message-ID: <4639CCAC.3040206@comsys.com.ua> Gennady Abramov wrote: > ?????? ????, > > ??????, ??????? ????????? ?????? (? ?? ??? ???, ? ??????) ????????? ????? ???? -????????, ??? PI, ???????? ????????-???????????, ?????? > ???: > ASSIGNED PI: This address space has been assigned to an End User and can > be kept as long as the criteria for the original assignment are met. > > ? ????? ????????? ????? ? ???? ? ?????? ??????????, ????????????? ??? PI > /22, ????????. > ???? ? ??????? ??????????? ? ASSIGNED PA, ?????????? ??? ?????? ???? > ????????, ??????? ??? ???????????? ?? ?? ????? ????????????? , ??? ????? > ???????? ?????????? ??????. > > RIPE ?????? PI ???????????, ??? ??????? ??? ????????? ?????? ????????? ???????????? ?? ????? ??? ???? IP ?????. -- Sergey Smitienko From ripe at arm.in.ua Thu May 3 14:40:25 2007 From: ripe at arm.in.ua (Oleg M. Boyko) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:40:25 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?8M/ExMXS?= =?koi8-r?Q?=D6?= In-Reply-To: <4639CCAC.3040206@comsys.com.ua> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <20070503112629.GA88694@demos.net> <4639CCAC.3040206@comsys.com.ua> Message-ID: <20070503124025.GA61981@arm.in.ua> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 02:51:08PM +0300, Sergey Smitienko wrote: > Gennady Abramov wrote: > >?????? ????, > > > >??????, ??????? ????????? ?????? (? ?? ??? ???, ? ??????) ????????? ????? > >???? -????????, ??? PI, ???????? ????????-???????????, ?????? > >???: > >ASSIGNED PI: This address space has been assigned to an End User and can > >be kept as long as the criteria for the original assignment are met. > > > >? ????? ????????? ????? ? ???? ? ?????? ??????????, ????????????? ??? PI > >/22, ????????. > >???? ? ??????? ??????????? ? ASSIGNED PA, ?????????? ??? ?????? ???? > >????????, ??????? ??? ???????????? ?? ?? ????? ????????????? , ??? ????? > >???????? ?????????? ??????. > > > > > RIPE ?????? PI ???????????, ??? ??????? ??? ????????? ?????? ????????? > ???????????? > ?? ????? ??? ???? IP ?????. ???? ?????????, ?? ????? ??? 4 ??????, ??? ??? ???????? ????? 4-? ???????, ?????? ????? ?????. ?????? ? RIPEDB. -- Kind regards, Oleg M. Boyko ARM-RIPE & ARM1-UANIC From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 15:06:24 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 16:06:24 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=5Bregional-russia=5D?= =?KOI8-R?Q?_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4_=3D=3Futf-?= In-Reply-To: <20070503153814.L87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503153814.L87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <4639DE50.60708@ukraine.su> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >> ? ???????, ????????, ???? ????? ??, ??? LIR, ?????? ???, ???????????? ???????????????? PI ?????? ????????????, ????-?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ????? ??????? ?????????????? ???????????? ?? ?? ????????????. ? ?????, ?? ????????? ?????? ??? , ???????, ?? ????? (??? ???-?? ?? ???????? ?? LIR Training Course ????? ?????? ?? RIPE Regional Meeting ? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ??????, ???-?? ????? "?????????? ? PI request'?? ?????? ???????? ??-?????????????"). > > ??? ???? ?????! ??? ?? ???? ?????. -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 15:08:12 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 16:08:12 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-U?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-U?Q?ussia=5D_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia?= =?KOI8-U?Q?=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503130251.I47096@colt.tsua.net> References: <20070503134536.E87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4639B312.2060902@ukraine.su> <20070503130251.I47096@colt.tsua.net> Message-ID: <4639DEBC.7070401@ukraine.su> ? ??? ??? ???????? ????????, ??????? ?????-????? ????? ?????? ???? ????????? ???????????, ?? ? ???? ??? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ???? ????????-?? ???, ????? "? ????, ?? ??????!!!" Anton Turygin wrote: > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > >> "????????? ?????????? LIR" ???? ???????? ???????????? ? ?????? >> ???????????????. ??? ???????? ?????. > > ??????, ????? ???????? "????????" ????????? ?? ????????????? ????????, > ??? ??????? ????????? ?? ???????????? > >> >> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Anton Turygin wrote: >>> >>>> ? ?????? ?? ???????, ??? ????? ? ??? ??????? >>>> ? ?????, ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ?????????? LIR. >>>> ???????? ?????????? ?? ????, ?? ??????????? ????. >>> >>> ???? ?????????? ????, ??????? ??. >>> ???? ???????? ??????????, ????????? ?????? ???? ????????. >>> ?????????? ???????? ? ????????? ???? ????????????? ????????, >>> ??? ??? ??? ???? ????????. >>> >> > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From yz at iptcom.net Thu May 3 14:51:22 2007 From: yz at iptcom.net (George L. Yermulnik) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:51:22 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?8M/ExMXS?= =?koi8-r?Q?=D6?= In-Reply-To: <20070503124025.GA61981@arm.in.ua> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <20070503112629.GA88694@demos.net> <4639CCAC.3040206@comsys.com.ua> <20070503124025.GA61981@arm.in.ua> Message-ID: <20070503125122.GG3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Hello! On Thu, 03 May 2007 at 15:40:25 (+0300), Oleg M. Boyko wrote: > > RIPE ?????? PI ???????????, ??? ??????? ??? ????????? ?????? ????????? > > ???????????? > > ?? ????? ??? ???? IP ?????. > ???? ?????????, ?? ????? ??? 4 ??????, ??? ??? ???????? ????? 4-? ???????, > ?????? ????? ?????. ?????? ? RIPEDB. "?????. ??????" ? "????????" PI'?? %-\ ??? ???? -- George L. Yermulnik [YZ-RIPE] From ripe at arm.in.ua Thu May 3 15:17:58 2007 From: ripe at arm.in.ua (Oleg M. Boyko) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:17:58 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?8M/ExMXS?= =?koi8-r?Q?=D6?= In-Reply-To: <20070503125122.GG3151@iptelecom.net.ua> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <20070503112629.GA88694@demos.net> <4639CCAC.3040206@comsys.com.ua> <20070503124025.GA61981@arm.in.ua> <20070503125122.GG3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Message-ID: <20070503131758.GA75960@arm.in.ua> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 03:51:22PM +0300, George L. Yermulnik wrote: > Hello! > > On Thu, 03 May 2007 at 15:40:25 (+0300), Oleg M. Boyko wrote: > > > > RIPE ?????? PI ???????????, ??? ??????? ??? ????????? ?????? ????????? > > > ???????????? > > > ?? ????? ??? ???? IP ?????. > > > ???? ?????????, ?? ????? ??? 4 ??????, ??? ??? ???????? ????? 4-? ???????, > > ?????? ????? ?????. ?????? ? RIPEDB. > > "?????. ??????" ? "????????" PI'?? %-\ ??? ???? ? ???? ????? ? ?????, ? ?? ????????? ??? PI. ??????????? ??? end-user ???? PI, ????? ??????? ? ?? ??????. ?????????. ? ???? ????? ???????? ?????? (?????? 4-?) ?????? ????????????? - ?????? ? ????. -- Kind regards, Oleg M. Boyko ARM-RIPE & ARM1-UANIC From pa3op at tsua.net Thu May 3 15:19:12 2007 From: pa3op at tsua.net (Anton Turygin) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:19:12 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-U?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-U?Q?ussia=5D_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia?= =?KOI8-U?Q?=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <4639DEBC.7070401@ukraine.su> References: <20070503134536.E87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4639B312.2060902@ukraine.su> <20070503130251.I47096@colt.tsua.net> <4639DEBC.7070401@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070503161326.I84172@colt.tsua.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > ? ??? ??? ???????? ????????, ??????? ?????-????? ????? ?????? ???? > ????????? ???????????, ?? ? ???? ??? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ???? > ????????-?? ???, ????? "? ????, ?? ??????!!!" ??????, ????????, ?? ?, ? ?? ???? ?????????? ???? ? ???? "????????? ?????????? LIR". ? ?? ? ???? ??????? ?? ?????. ? ????? ???????? ? ?????? ???????, ?????????????, ?? ???????? ??????, ??????, ??????? ?? ????? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????? _???????_ ???? ? executive board RIPE NCC? ????????? ???? ?????? ?? ????????, ?? ?????? ? ???????????? ?????????? ? ?????? _??????_! P.S. ??????? ???? ???? ?????????. ?? ??? ????? ???????????. > > Anton Turygin wrote: >> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: >> >>> "????????? ?????????? LIR" ???? ???????? ???????????? ? ?????? >>> ???????????????. ??? ???????? ?????. >> >> ??????, ????? ???????? "????????" ????????? ?? ????????????? ????????, >> ??? ??????? ????????? ?? ???????????? >> >>> >>> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: >>>> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Anton Turygin wrote: >>>> >>>>> ? ?????? ?? ???????, ??? ????? ? ??? ??????? >>>>> ? ?????, ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ?????????? LIR. >>>>> ???????? ?????????? ?? ????, ?? ??????????? ????. >>>> >>>> ???? ?????????? ????, ??????? ??. >>>> ???? ???????? ??????????, ????????? ?????? ???? ????????. >>>> ?????????? ???????? ? ????????? ???? ????????????? ????????, >>>> ??? ??? ??? ???? ????????. >>>> >>> >> > > > -- RAZ-UANIC RAZ-RIPE From abramov at bpr.su Thu May 3 15:14:17 2007 From: abramov at bpr.su (Gennady Abramov) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:14:17 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UkU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIPDPxMTF0tY=?= In-Reply-To: <20070503124025.GA61981@arm.in.ua> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <20070503112629.GA88694@demos.net> <4639CCAC.3040206@comsys.com.ua> <20070503124025.GA61981@arm.in.ua> Message-ID: <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A7888E@icsdc.isoft.ru> ??????? ??????? - ? ??????, /30, ?? ??????? ???? - ?? ??????? ??????????. ??????, ???? ?????, ??????????? ???????, ? ???????????? ? ??????. -- Gennady Abramov, CCNP, abramov at bpr.su BPR Ltd, http://www.bpr.su Phone: +7 485 956 7523 Fax: +7 495 9567536 -----Original Message----- From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Oleg M. Boyko Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 4:40 PM To: Sergey Smitienko Cc: regional-russia at ripe.net Subject: Re: [regional-russia] ??????? On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 02:51:08PM +0300, Sergey Smitienko wrote: > Gennady Abramov wrote: > >?????? ????, > > > >??????, ??????? ????????? ?????? (? ?? ??? ???, ? ??????) ????????? > >????? ???? -????????, ??? PI, ???????? ????????-???????????, ?????? > >???: > >ASSIGNED PI: This address space has been assigned to an End User and > >can be kept as long as the criteria for the original assignment are met. > > > >? ????? ????????? ????? ? ???? ? ?????? ??????????, ????????????? ??? > >PI /22, ????????. > >???? ? ??????? ??????????? ? ASSIGNED PA, ?????????? ??? ?????? ???? > >????????, ??????? ??? ???????????? ?? ?? ????? ????????????? , ??? > >????? ???????? ?????????? ??????. > > > > > RIPE ?????? PI ???????????, ??? ??????? ??? ????????? ?????? ????????? > ???????????? ?? ????? ??? ???? IP ?????. ???? ?????????, ?? ????? ??? 4 ??????, ??? ??? ???????? ????? 4-? ???????, ?????? ????? ?????. ?????? ? RIPEDB. -- Kind regards, Oleg M. Boyko ARM-RIPE & ARM1-UANIC From yz at iptcom.net Thu May 3 15:21:31 2007 From: yz at iptcom.net (George L. Yermulnik) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:21:31 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?8M/ExMXS?= =?koi8-r?Q?=D6?= In-Reply-To: <20070503131758.GA75960@arm.in.ua> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <20070503112629.GA88694@demos.net> <4639CCAC.3040206@comsys.com.ua> <20070503124025.GA61981@arm.in.ua> <20070503125122.GG3151@iptelecom.net.ua> <20070503131758.GA75960@arm.in.ua> Message-ID: <20070503132131.GN3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Hello! On Thu, 03 May 2007 at 16:17:58 (+0300), Oleg M. Boyko wrote: > > > > RIPE ?????? PI ???????????, ??? ??????? ??? ????????? ?????? ????????? > > > > ???????????? > > > > ?? ????? ??? ???? IP ?????. > > > ???? ?????????, ?? ????? ??? 4 ??????, ??? ??? ???????? ????? 4-? ???????, > > > ?????? ????? ?????. ?????? ? RIPEDB. > > "?????. ??????" ? "????????" PI'?? %-\ ??? ???? > ? ???? ????? ? ?????, ? ?? ????????? ??? PI. ???. ? ??? ?????. > ??????????? ??? end-user ???? PI, ????? ??????? ? ?? ??????. ?????????. > ? ???? ????? ???????? ?????? (?????? 4-?) ?????? ????????????? - ?????? ? ????. -- George L. Yermulnik [YZ-RIPE] From sergi at dg.net.ua Thu May 3 14:53:57 2007 From: sergi at dg.net.ua (Sergi Polischuk) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:53:57 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [regional-russia] RE: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: =?KOI8-U?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <722BA64C637145499C9C27F2EDA71A2602171A2C@africa.denware> Message-ID: > ???? ? ???????, > ?????????? ? ????? ??????? > ????? ????????, ?? ???????? > ?????? ??????? ???????? > ??? > ?????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ?????????????? ? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ???????????? ?? ??????, ? ???????: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/elections/biographies.html#max ??? ???????? ???????????????? ? ?????? ??????? ?? ???????? PI ? AS: http://www.netassist.kiev.ua/pi-ip.shtml ????????? ???? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ???????? PI ?? ua.netassist ? ???????? ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????? PI ???????? ???????. ???? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ? ?????? ?? ?????????? PI ?? ???? ????????? :) -- _)\_ Sergi Polischuk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cron at camelottc.com Thu May 3 15:33:40 2007 From: cron at camelottc.com (Igor Chentsov) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:33:40 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?Re[2]:_[regional-russia]_Re:_[regional-russia]_Re:_[regional-russia]_Re[?= =?koi8-r?Q?2]:_[regional-russia]_Re:_[regional-russia]_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=3Dkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> Hi, Larisa. You wrote 3 ??? 2007 ?., 13:59:25: > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote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ripe, ? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? (???? ? ?? ????????, Isabel Pinto Coelho Sena) ??????? ?????????? ????????? PI. ? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ?????, ? ? ????????? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????, ????????? ???????????? PI ?? ??????. ???, ??????? ?? ????????????, ?????? ?? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ???? ???????? ???????????????? ??????? c PI. ?? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ?????, ??????? ????-?? ?? "????????????" ??? ???????? ripe. ?????? ???????????????, ??? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? "ripe ??? ?? ??????????? ???????????". (? ?? ??? ??? ?????). ???? ????????????? ? ??? ????? ?????????? ????? PI ???? ??????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ? ?????? ???? ???? ? ???????????. ???????, ??? LIR ????????????? ? ???, ????? ???????????????? ??????? PI ???? ???????? (? ? ????????). ? ????????? ???????, ???? ???? ??????? ?????????? ????? PI ????, LIR ?????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??? PI ?????? PA. ??? ????????? ????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ???-?? ?????, ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????. ????? ???????? ???? ????-?? ????????? ????????. --- cron-ripe >> >> -- >> Dmitry Kiselev >> > With respect, > Larisa Yurkina > --- > RIPN Registry center > ----- From ula at ripn.net Thu May 3 15:36:09 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:36:09 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-U?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-U?Q?ussia=5D_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia?= =?KOI8-U?Q?=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <4639DEBC.7070401@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070503172141.W87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: ???????, ???????? ?? ?????????, ?? ???????. ????????, ????? ????? ?????????? ? ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??????????? ??????????????? ???????????, ??????? ????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ???? ????? ?????????? ???, ? ????? ???????????? ? ?????????? ? RIPE NCC, http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/ ? ???????? ??? ??. ???, ????????, ????? ????? ? ???????????? ??????, ????? ??????????? ????????? ??? ????????????? ? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ???? ripe. ? ???? ?? ??? ???. ??????? ???-?? ????????? ??????? ????????? ? ?????-????? ?????????? ?????. ??? ????????? ?????????? ??????????? ???????????, ???? ?? ???????? ????? ? ???? ? ??????. ??????? ?? ?????????. > ? ??? ??? ???????? ????????, ??????? ?????-????? ????? ?????? ???? > ????????? ???????????, ?? ? ???? ??? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ???? > ????????-?? ???, ????? "? ????, ?? ??????!!!" > > Anton Turygin wrote: > > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > > > >> "????????? ?????????? LIR" ???? ???????? ???????????? ? ?????? > >> ???????????????. ??? ???????? ?????. > > > > ??????, ????? ???????? "????????" ????????? ?? ????????????? ????????, > > ??? ??????? ????????? ?? ???????????? > > > >> > >> Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > >>> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Anton Turygin wrote: > >>> > >>>> ? ?????? ?? ???????, ??? ????? ? ??? ??????? > >>>> ? ?????, ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ?????????? LIR. > >>>> ???????? ?????????? ?? ????, ?? ??????????? ????. > >>> > >>> ???? ?????????? ????, ??????? ??. > >>> ???? ???????? ??????????, ????????? ?????? ???? ????????. > >>> ?????????? ???????? ? ????????? ???? ????????????? ????????, > >>> ??? ??? ??? ???? ????????. > >>> > >> > > > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 15:37:51 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 16:37:51 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-U?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_RE=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-U?Q?ussia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregiona?= =?KOI8-U?Q?l-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_?= =?KOI8-U?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4639E5AF.4010804@ukraine.su> ?????? ?????, ??? ? ? ??? ????. ? ??? ??????? ? ???, ??? ?? ????????????? ? ??? ????? ??? ??????? Sergi Polischuk wrote: >> ???? ? ???????, >> ?????????? ? ????? ??????? >> ????? ????????, ?? ???????? >> ?????? ??????? ???????? >> ??? >> ?????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ?????????????? > > ? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ???????????? ?? ??????, ? ???????: > > http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2007/elections/biographies.html#max > > ??? ???????? ???????????????? ? ?????? ??????? ?? ???????? PI ? AS: > > http://www.netassist.kiev.ua/pi-ip.shtml > > ????????? ???? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ???????? PI ?? > ua.netassist ? ???????? ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????? PI ???????? ???????. > > ???? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ? ?????? > ?? ?????????? PI ?? ???? ????????? :) > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 15:45:16 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 16:45:16 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Breg?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_R?= =?KOI8-R?Q?e=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=3Dkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> Message-ID: <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? ???-??????????. ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?? LIR'??? ???, ???? ????? Hi, Larisa. > > You wrote 3 ??? 2007 ?., 13:59:25: > >> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: > >>> ?????? ????! >>> >>>> ?? ???, ??????. >>>> ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ??? ???. >>> >>> ?????? ???: ? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???????????. >>> ? ??????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ??????. ???? ??? ?????? >>> ??????? ??? ???? ???????????? ????????????, ???? ???? - ????????. > >> ???? ????????? ?????? ?? ??????????. ????? ?? ??????????? ?????. >> ????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ??????? RIPE NCC. >> ???? ?? ???????? ? ????????? ????????, ????????? ?????. >> ? ????????? ?????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ????? ?????????? ????? ????????. > > ??????, ??? ???? ? ?? ??????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ????????? ?????? > ????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ripe, ? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? > (???? ? ?? ????????, Isabel Pinto Coelho Sena) ??????? ?????????? > ????????? PI. ? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ?????, ? ? ????????? ?????? > ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????, > ????????? ???????????? PI ?? ??????. ???, ??????? ?? ????????????, > ?????? ?? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ???? ???????? ???????????????? > ??????? c PI. ?? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ?????, ??????? ????-?? > ?? "????????????" ??? ???????? ripe. > ?????? ???????????????, ??? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? "ripe ??? ?? > ??????????? ???????????". (? ?? ??? ??? ?????). ???? ????????????? ? > ??? ????? ?????????? ????? PI ???? ??????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ? > ?????? ???? ???? ? ???????????. ???????, ??? LIR ????????????? ? ???, ????? > ???????????????? ??????? PI ???? ???????? (? ? ????????). > ? ????????? ???????, ???? ???? ??????? ?????????? ????? PI ????, LIR ?????? ?? > ????????????? ?????? ??? PI ?????? PA. > ??? ????????? ????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ???-?? ?????, ?????? ?? > ??????? ?????????. > ????? ???????? ???? ????-?? ????????? ????????. > > --- > cron-ripe > >>> -- >>> Dmitry Kiselev >>> > > >> With respect, >> Larisa Yurkina >> --- >> RIPN Registry center >> ----- > > > > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 15:53:26 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 16:53:26 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=3D?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=3Fkoi8_=D7_=D3=C1=C2=C4=D6=C5=CB=D4=C5_=D0=C9=D3=D8=CD?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1?= In-Reply-To: <4639E70F.60808@cplire.ru> References: <4639E5AF.4010804@ukraine.su> <4639E70F.60808@cplire.ru> Message-ID: <4639E956.6070908@ukraine.su> ? ??? ??? ? ??? ????? "????"? ????????????? ????? :) PI - ??? ??? ???????, ?? ?? ???? ? ?? ?????, ?? - ??????????. ???? ?????, ? ??????? ?????????? PI ???????. ?????? - ???????? ???? ? ???????? ????? ? /21 ??????. ??? ?????? - ???????-??????????. ???? ??? ????? ????????, ??? ????? ???? ??? ???????. ???? ? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ????? ??????, ????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????? ????? ?? ?????? ????????????? ??????????, ????? ??? ? ???????? ????????? ????? ? ?????? (???????? ???????????????) ???????. ?? ?? ??? ?? ???????, ? ?? ???????. Tima Maryin wrote: > ??????, ?? ?????? ?? ??????, ??? ???? PI? > > > Max Tulyev wrote: >> ?????? ?????, ??? ? ? ??? ????. >> >> ? ??? ??????? ? ???, ??? ?? ????????????? ? ??? ????? ??? ??????? > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From yz at iptcom.net Thu May 3 16:02:27 2007 From: yz at iptcom.net (George L. Yermulnik) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:02:27 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UmVbMl06?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bre?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIPDPxMTF0tY9a29pOA==?= In-Reply-To: <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070503140227.GA3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Hello! On Thu, 03 May 2007 at 16:45:16 (+0300), Max Tulyev wrote: > ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. ????, ????? ?????? ? ???, ????? ?? ????????????? ?? ??????? PI, ? ???-???? ????????? ? "conservation and aggregation". ?? ???? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? PI/AS ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ???????? PI. ? RIPE, ? ???? ???????, ????????? ? ????????? (?? PI, ? PA). > ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI > ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? > ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? > ???-??????????. ??? ?????? ?????????: ??????? ???? ????? "??????? PI ?????? ? ??????" ????????????? PI ?????? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?? ????????? "conservation and aggregation" ? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????????? ? PI'?? ? ??????? ? ?? ????? ????????? ISP ? ?????, ?? ???-?? _??????_ ?????? ?? PI ?? ????? ???????? ?? ????????. ????? ????????????? ?? ??? ?? ? ????? PI ???? ????????? -- George L. Yermulnik [YZ-RIPE] From cron at camelottc.com Thu May 3 16:04:31 2007 From: cron at camelottc.com (Igor Chentsov) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:04:31 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?Re[2]:_[regional-russia]_Re[2]:_[regional-russia]_Re:_[regional-russia]_?= =?koi8-r?Q?Re:_[regional-russia]_Re[2]:_[regional-russia]_Re:_[regional-russia]_=F0?= =?koi8-r?Q?=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=3Dkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <218934031.20070503180431@camelottc.com> Hi, Max. You wrote 3 ??? 2007 ?., 17:45:16: > ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. ripe ncc ??? ???????????? ???????????? ????????? ? ???? ???. ?? ????? ?? ???????? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ip-????????. ? ? ??????????, ??? ????? ????????????? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ip-????????. ??? ? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ? "???????????????? PI". > ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI > ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? > ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? > ???-??????????. ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? > ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?? LIR'??? ???, ???? ????? ???????????? ???????? ????, ??? ??? ???????? ? ????, ??? ?????? ?????? > ?????? /24 PI ??????? ????? /20 PA, ??????? ??? ????? ???? conservation. > Igor Chentsov wrote: >> Hi, Larisa. >> >> You wrote 3 ??? 2007 ?., 13:59:25: >> >>> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: >> >>>> ?????? ????! >>>> >>>>> ?? ???, ??????. >>>>> ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ??? ???. >>>> >>>> ?????? ???: ? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???????????. >>>> ? ??????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ??????. ???? ??? ?????? >>>> ??????? ??? ???? ???????????? ????????????, ???? ???? - ????????. >> >>> ???? ????????? ?????? ?? ??????????. ????? ?? ??????????? ?????. >>> ????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ??????? RIPE NCC. >>> ???? ?? ???????? ? ????????? ????????, ????????? ?????. >>> ? ????????? ?????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ????? ?????????? ????? ????????. >> >> ??????, ??? ???? ? ?? ??????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ????????? ?????? >> ????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ripe, ? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? >> (???? ? ?? ????????, Isabel Pinto Coelho Sena) ??????? ?????????? >> ????????? PI. ? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ?????, ? ? ????????? ?????? >> ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????, >> ????????? ???????????? PI ?? ??????. ???, ??????? ?? ????????????, >> ?????? ?? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ???? ???????? ???????????????? >> ??????? c PI. ?? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ?????, ??????? ????-?? >> ?? "????????????" ??? ???????? ripe. >> ?????? ???????????????, ??? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? "ripe ??? ?? >> ??????????? ???????????". (? ?? ??? ??? ?????). ???? ????????????? ? >> ??? ????? ?????????? ????? PI ???? ??????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ? >> ?????? ???? ???? ? ???????????. ???????, ??? LIR ????????????? ? ???, ????? >> ???????????????? ??????? PI ???? ???????? (? ? ????????). >> ? ????????? ???????, ???? ???? ??????? ?????????? ????? PI ????, LIR ?????? ?? >> ????????????? ?????? ??? PI ?????? PA. >> ??? ????????? ????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ???-?? ?????, ?????? ?? >> ??????? ?????????. >> ????? ???????? ???? ????-?? ????????? ????????. >> >> --- >> cron-ripe >> >>>> -- >>>> Dmitry Kiselev >>>> >> >> >>> With respect, >>> Larisa Yurkina >>> --- >>> RIPN Registry center >>> ----- >> >> >> >> -- Igor Chentsov camelot telecom +7 495 5101880 From yz at iptcom.net Thu May 3 16:07:28 2007 From: yz at iptcom.net (George L. Yermulnik) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:07:28 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?8M/ExMXS?= =?koi8-r?B?1svBID0/a29pOCDXINPBwsTWxcvUxSDQydPYzcE=?= In-Reply-To: <4639E956.6070908@ukraine.su> References: <4639E5AF.4010804@ukraine.su> <4639E70F.60808@cplire.ru> <4639E956.6070908@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070503140728.GB3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Hello! On Thu, 03 May 2007 at 16:53:26 (+0300), Max Tulyev wrote: > ? ??? ??? ? ??? ????? "????"? ????????????? ????? :) ????, ???? ???? ?? ripe ncc training'? - ??? ?? ???? _????_ ???????????? =) > PI - ??? ??? ???????, ?? ?? ???? ? ?? ?????, ?? - ??????????. > ???? ?????, ? ??????? ?????????? PI ???????. ?????? - ???????? ???? ? > ???????? ????? ? /21 ??????. ??? ?????? - ???????-??????????. ???? ??? > ????? ????????, ??? ????? ???? ??? ???????. > ???? ? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????? ????? ??????, ????????? ??? > ?????? ? ?????????? ????? ?? ?????? ????????????? ??????????, ????? ??? > ? ???????? ????????? ????? ? ?????? (???????? ???????????????) ???????. > ?? ?? ??? ?? ???????, ? ?? ???????. > Tima Maryin wrote: > > ??????, ?? ?????? ?? ??????, ??? ???? PI? > > Max Tulyev wrote: > >> ?????? ?????, ??? ? ? ??? ????. > >> ? ??? ??????? ? ???, ??? ?? ????????????? ? ??? ????? ??? ??????? -- George L. Yermulnik [YZ-RIPE] From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 16:09:37 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:09:37 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Breg?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_R?= =?KOI8-R?Q?e=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=3Dkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503140227.GA3151@iptelecom.net.ua> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <20070503140227.GA3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Message-ID: <4639ED21.2090807@ukraine.su> ???????, ??? ?? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ??????. ????? ????, ?????? ???????????, ??????? ????? PI, ??????????? ? ?????? LIR'? ???????? ???????? ???????????????? ?????. ??, ????? ??? ???????????? ?????, ??? ????? PI/AS, ??? ??? ???????? ? ????? ?????. ???? ?? ????? - ????????? ?? ? ?? ??????????. ???? ?? multihomed ? ?? ?????????, ? ????? PI/AS - ???? ?????. ???? ?? ??????. ?? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??????. George L. Yermulnik wrote: > Hello! > > On Thu, 03 May 2007 at 16:45:16 (+0300), Max Tulyev wrote: > >> ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. > > ????, ????? ?????? ? ???, ????? ?? ????????????? ?? ??????? PI, ? > ???-???? ????????? ? "conservation and aggregation". ?? ???? ? ???????? > ????? ?????? ?? ??????? PI/AS ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? > ???????? PI. ? RIPE, ? ???? ???????, ????????? ? ????????? (?? PI, ? > PA). > >> ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI >> ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? >> ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? >> ???-??????????. > > ??? ?????? ?????????: ??????? ???? ????? "??????? PI ?????? ? ??????" > ????????????? PI ?????? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?? ????????? > "conservation and aggregation" ? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????????? > ? PI'?? > > ? ??????? ? ?? ????? ????????? ISP ? ?????, ?? ???-?? _??????_ ?????? ?? > PI ?? ????? ???????? ?? ????????. ????? ????????????? ?? ??? ?? ? ????? > PI ???? ????????? > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From iga at sovam.com Thu May 3 16:14:14 2007 From: iga at sovam.com (Igor V. Semenyuk) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:14:14 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?RE:_=5Bregional-russia=5D_RE:_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re:_?= =?koi8-r?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re:_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2?= =?koi8-r?Q?=5D:_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re:_=5Bregional-russia=5D?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6_=3D=3Fkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <722BA64C637145499C9C27F2EDA71A2602171A2C@africa.denware> References: <722BA64C637145499C9C27F2EDA71A2602171A2C@africa.denware> Message-ID: <000501c78d8d$54147340$bc0343c2@sovintel.net> ??????? ???-?? ??? ???????? ????????????? ??????????? ?????????? ?? *???* ???????????? :) > -----Original Message----- > From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net > [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Valery Soldatov > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:41 PM > To: regional-russia at ripe.net > Subject: [regional-russia] RE: [regional-russia] Re: > [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: > [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ??????? =?koi8 > > ???? ? ???????, > ?????????? ? ????? ??????? > ????? ????????, ?? ???????? > ?????? ??????? ???????? > ??? > ?????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ?????????????? > > > <<< ?????????? ???????????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????? >>> > > > ---------------------------------- > ??????? ????????, ??? ???????????? > > > > From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 16:15:32 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:32 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Breg?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_R?= =?KOI8-R?Q?e=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=3Dkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <218934031.20070503180431@camelottc.com> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <218934031.20070503180431@camelottc.com> Message-ID: <4639EE84.7010702@ukraine.su> Igor Chentsov wrote: >> ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. > ripe ncc ??? ???????????? ???????????? ????????? ? ???? ???. ?? ????? > ?? ???????? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ip-????????. ? ? > ??????????, ??? ????? ????????????? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? > ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ip-????????. > ??? ? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ? "???????????????? PI". ?? ???????, ???????, ?? ????????. PI/AS - ??? ???? ?? ????? ?????, ? ?? "???? ?????? ????????". ? ?? ??? ???, ???? RIPE NCC ????? ?????????????? PI/AS LIR'?? - LIR'? ????? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ????????. ????? ????, RIPE ?? ?????? ????? ????, ? ???? ??????? ??? ??, ??? ???????????????? ?????? ?? PI/AS (? ??? ????? - ?????????? ? ???????? ??????) - ?????????? ???????? ?????? LIR'?. ? ??? ????????? ?????? PI/AS, ???????????? "?????????? ??????????", ??? ???? ?????????? ???? ????????? ????????, ?? ????????????? RIPE. >> ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI >> ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? >> ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? >> ???-??????????. > ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????? ???????????. ?????? ???? ??????: ?????? ????? ?? "???????? ??????" ?? ??? ??? ?? ????????? ? address-policy-wg? -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 16:16:37 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:16:37 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=3D?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=3Fkoi8_=D7_=D3=C1=C2=C4=D6=C5=CB=D4=C5_=D0=C9=D3=D8=CD?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1?= In-Reply-To: <20070503140728.GB3151@iptelecom.net.ua> References: <4639E5AF.4010804@ukraine.su> <4639E70F.60808@cplire.ru> <4639E956.6070908@ukraine.su> <20070503140728.GB3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Message-ID: <4639EEC5.2080000@ukraine.su> George L. Yermulnik wrote: >> ? ??? ??? ? ??? ????? "????"? ????????????? ????? :) > > ????, ???? ???? ?? ripe ncc training'? - ??? ?? ???? _????_ > ???????????? =) ???? ??? ? ???????. ??? ???????????? ??? advantages and disadvantages, ? ?? ??? "????????????? ?????". -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From yz at iptcom.net Thu May 3 16:17:24 2007 From: yz at iptcom.net (George L. Yermulnik) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:17:24 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UmVbMl06?= =?koi8-r?Q?_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bre?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?B?ZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIPDPxMTF0tY9a29pOA==?= In-Reply-To: <4639ED21.2090807@ukraine.su> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <20070503140227.GA3151@iptelecom.net.ua> <4639ED21.2090807@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070503141724.GC3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Hello! On Thu, 03 May 2007 at 17:09:37 (+0300), Max Tulyev wrote: > ???????, ??? ?? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ?????? > ????? ??????. ??? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????... > ????? ????, ?????? ???????????, ??????? ????? PI, ??????????? ? ?????? > LIR'? ???????? ???????? ???????????????? ?????. ????? ?????? "????????????????? ??????"? > ??, ????? ??? ???????????? ?????, ??? ????? PI/AS, ??? ??? ???????? ? > ????? ?????. ???? ?? ????? - ????????? ?? ? ?? ??????????. ?? ? ??, ???????? ????? ?? ????? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? ? ????? =) ?????? ?? ?????????? "??" - ?????? ??? ????????? ???? ???????? ??? ???, ??? ?? ????? ????? ??? ???????????????? ????-???? ????????????? ??????? PI ? ??????? ????????????? ? ?????????. > ???? ?? multihomed ? ?? ?????????, ? ????? PI/AS - ???? ?????. ???? ?? > ??????. ?? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??????. > >> ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. > > ????, ????? ?????? ? ???, ????? ?? ????????????? ?? ??????? PI, ? > > ???-???? ????????? ? "conservation and aggregation". ?? ???? ? ???????? > > ????? ?????? ?? ??????? PI/AS ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? > > ???????? PI. ? RIPE, ? ???? ???????, ????????? ? ????????? (?? PI, ? > > PA). > >> ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI > >> ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? > >> ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? > >> ???-??????????. > > ??? ?????? ?????????: ??????? ???? ????? "??????? PI ?????? ? ??????" > > ????????????? PI ?????? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?? ????????? > > "conservation and aggregation" ? ?????????? ???????????? ? ????????????? > > ? PI'?? > > ? ??????? ? ?? ????? ????????? ISP ? ?????, ?? ???-?? _??????_ ?????? ?? > > PI ?? ????? ???????? ?? ????????. ????? ????????????? ?? ??? ?? ? ????? > > PI ???? ????????? -- George L. Yermulnik [YZ-RIPE] From yz at iptcom.net Thu May 3 16:18:23 2007 From: yz at iptcom.net (George L. Yermulnik) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:18:23 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?8M/ExMXS?= =?koi8-r?B?1svBID0/a29pOCDXINPBwsTWxcvUxSDQydPYzcE=?= In-Reply-To: <4639EEC5.2080000@ukraine.su> References: <4639E5AF.4010804@ukraine.su> <4639E70F.60808@cplire.ru> <4639E956.6070908@ukraine.su> <20070503140728.GB3151@iptelecom.net.ua> <4639EEC5.2080000@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070503141823.GD3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Hello! On Thu, 03 May 2007 at 17:16:37 (+0300), Max Tulyev wrote: > >> ? ??? ??? ? ??? ????? "????"? ????????????? ????? :) > > ????, ???? ???? ?? ripe ncc training'? - ??? ?? ???? _????_ > > ???????????? =) > ???? ??? ? ???????. > ??? ???????????? ??? advantages and disadvantages, ? ?? ??? > "????????????? ?????". "????????????? ?????" - ????????? ????? ???????. -- George L. Yermulnik [YZ-RIPE] From tima at cplire.ru Thu May 3 15:43:43 2007 From: tima at cplire.ru (Tima Maryin) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:43:43 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=3D?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=3Fkoi8_=D7_=D3=C1=C2=C4=D6=C5=CB=D4=C5_=D0=C9=D3=D8=CD?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1?= In-Reply-To: <4639E5AF.4010804@ukraine.su> References: <4639E5AF.4010804@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <4639E70F.60808@cplire.ru> ??????, ?? ?????? ?? ??????, ??? ???? PI? Max Tulyev wrote: > ?????? ?????, ??? ? ? ??? ????. > > ? ??? ??????? ? ???, ??? ?? ????????????? ? ??? ????? ??? ??????? From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 16:41:41 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:41:41 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Breg?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_R?= =?KOI8-R?Q?e=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=3Dkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070503141724.GC3151@iptelecom.net.ua> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <20070503140227.GA3151@iptelecom.net.ua> <4639ED21.2090807@ukraine.su> <20070503141724.GC3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Message-ID: <4639F4A5.2000506@ukraine.su> George L. Yermulnik wrote: >> ???????, ??? ?? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ?????? >> ????? ??????. > ??? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????... ????????. ? ?? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ? ??????? ?????. >> ????? ????, ?????? ???????????, ??????? ????? PI, ??????????? ? ?????? >> LIR'? ???????? ???????? ???????????????? ?????. > ????? ?????? "????????????????? ??????"? ???????? ????? ?????? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????? ???: ???????? ?? extra-small ? medium ??????, ? ?? large ? extra-large ??????. ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?? large, ?? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ??????. ??????? ???: ?? ?????. ???, ?? ????? ??????. ??????? ???: ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ???????. >> ??, ????? ??? ???????????? ?????, ??? ????? PI/AS, ??? ??? ???????? ? >> ????? ?????. ???? ?? ????? - ????????? ?? ? ?? ??????????. > > ?? ? ??, ???????? ????? ?? ????? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? ? ????? =) > ?????? ?? ?????????? "??" - ?????? ??? ????????? ???? ???????? ??? ???, > ??? ?? ????? ????? ??? ???????????????? ????-???? ????????????? ??????? > PI ? ??????? ????????????? ? ?????????. ???-?? - ??? ????? ???? ??? ? ????? ??? ????? :) -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 16:42:21 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:42:21 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C1_=3D?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=3Fkoi8_=D7_=D3=C1=C2=C4=D6=C5=CB=D4=C5_=D0=C9=D3=D8=CD?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C1?= In-Reply-To: <20070503141823.GD3151@iptelecom.net.ua> References: <4639E5AF.4010804@ukraine.su> <4639E70F.60808@cplire.ru> <4639E956.6070908@ukraine.su> <20070503140728.GB3151@iptelecom.net.ua> <4639EEC5.2080000@ukraine.su> <20070503141823.GD3151@iptelecom.net.ua> Message-ID: <4639F4CD.3090504@ukraine.su> ?? ? ??? ??? ????????? ?? ???????? ???? ??????????? "?????"? George L. Yermulnik wrote: > Hello! > > On Thu, 03 May 2007 at 17:16:37 (+0300), Max Tulyev wrote: > >>>> ? ??? ??? ? ??? ????? "????"? ????????????? ????? :) > >>> ????, ???? ???? ?? ripe ncc training'? - ??? ?? ???? _????_ >>> ???????????? =) > >> ???? ??? ? ???????. >> ??? ???????????? ??? advantages and disadvantages, ? ?? ??? >> "????????????? ?????". > > "????????????? ?????" - ????????? ????? ???????. > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From ula at ripn.net Thu May 3 17:18:22 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 19:18:22 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [ =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional In-Reply-To: <4639EE84.7010702@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070503185034.M87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: ???????, ??? ??? ??????? ????? ??? ??? ??????????? ? ???????? address-policy ? ?????? lir-wg. ? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ? ?????? ??????? ??????, ????? ????, ??? ???????????? ? ripe-????????? ?? policy. ??????? ?????? ????: ????????? ???? ???????? ????? ????????, ????????? ?????? ??????? multihoming ??? PI, ??????? ??? ?? ? ???????????, ? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ? ?????? ???? ????????????. ???????? ????? ???????? ?????: PI ???? ??????????? ???, ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????, ??? ??? ????? ?????. ??????? ????????, ??? ? ????, ????????, ? ????????, ?????? ??????: ?????? ??? ??? ???????? - ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????? :) ?????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ??????, ??? ???????? ????-?? ?????????????? ?????. ????????? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????: "????? ?????" ? "???????????". ?????: PI ???? ??????????? ???, ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????, ??? ??? ????? ?????. ???? ??? ???? ???????, ? ??????, ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? RIPE NCC ?? ????????? RIPE ???????, ???? ??????????? PI ??????? ??????????? ?????? ????? ? ?????? ? ?? ???????. ????????? ?????? ?????????? :) > Igor Chentsov wrote: > >> ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. > > ripe ncc ??? ???????????? ???????????? ????????? ? ???? ???. ?? ????? > > ?? ???????? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ip-????????. ? ? > > ??????????, ??? ????? ????????????? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? > > ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ip-????????. > > ??? ? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ? "???????????????? PI". > > ?? ???????, ???????, ?? ????????. > PI/AS - ??? ???? ?? ????? ?????, ? ?? "???? ?????? ????????". > ? ?? ??? ???, ???? RIPE NCC ????? ?????????????? PI/AS LIR'?? - LIR'? > ????? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ????????. ????? ????, RIPE ?? ?????? > ????? ????, ? ???? ??????? ??? ??, ??? ???????????????? ?????? ?? PI/AS > (? ??? ????? - ?????????? ? ???????? ??????) - ?????????? ???????? > ?????? LIR'?. > > ? ??? ????????? ?????? PI/AS, ???????????? "?????????? ??????????", ??? > ???? ?????????? ???? ????????? ????????, ?? ????????????? RIPE. > > >> ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI > >> ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? > >> ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? > >> ???-??????????. > > ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? > > ????????? ???????????. > > ?????? ???? ??????: ?????? ????? ?? "???????? ??????" ?? ??? ??? ?? > ????????? ? address-policy-wg? ?? ??? ?? ? ????????. ?? ??????????? ?????????? ? ??????. ????????, ???, ?????????? ??-?? ? ??-??. ????? ????? ?????. ???????. > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From president at ukraine.su Thu May 3 17:59:52 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 18:59:52 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [ =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional In-Reply-To: <20070503185034.M87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070503185034.M87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <463A06F8.4070406@ukraine.su> ??????, ???????! ????? ?????????? ???? :) ?? ? ?? ????, ??? ??? ??? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????? ?? PI ? ??????, ????? ??? ???? ????? ????. ?????? ? ??? ????? ?????, ??????? ????????? ? ????? ??? ?????? ???. Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > On Thu, 3 May 2007, Max Tulyev wrote: > > ???????, > > ??? ??? ??????? ????? ??? ??? ??????????? ? ???????? address-policy ? ?????? lir-wg. > ? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ? ?????? ??????? ??????, ????? ????, ??? ???????????? > ? ripe-????????? ?? policy. > ??????? ?????? ????: ????????? ???? ???????? ????? ????????, ????????? ?????? > ??????? multihoming ??? PI, ??????? ??? ?? ? ???????????, ? ????? ???????? > ??????????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ? ?????? ???? ????????????. > ???????? ????? ???????? ?????: PI ???? ??????????? ???, ??? ???????? ????? > ?????? ????????, ??? ??? ????? ?????. > > ??????? ????????, ??? ? ????, ????????, ? ????????, ?????? ??????: ?????? ??? > ??? ???????? - ????? ? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????? :) ?????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? > ??????, ??? ???????? ????-?? ?????????????? ?????. > ????????? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????: "????? ?????" ? "???????????". > ?????: PI ???? ??????????? ???, ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????, ??? ??? ????? ?????. > > ???? ??? ???? ???????, ? ??????, ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? RIPE NCC > ?? ????????? RIPE ???????, ???? ??????????? PI ??????? ??????????? ?????? ????? > ? ?????? ? ?? ???????. ????????? ?????? ?????????? :) > >> Igor Chentsov wrote: >>>> ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. >>> ripe ncc ??? ???????????? ???????????? ????????? ? ???? ???. ?? ????? >>> ?? ???????? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ip-????????. ? ? >>> ??????????, ??? ????? ????????????? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? >>> ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ip-????????. >>> ??? ? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ? "???????????????? PI". >> ?? ???????, ???????, ?? ????????. >> PI/AS - ??? ???? ?? ????? ?????, ? ?? "???? ?????? ????????". >> ? ?? ??? ???, ???? RIPE NCC ????? ?????????????? PI/AS LIR'?? - LIR'? >> ????? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ????????. ????? ????, RIPE ?? ?????? >> ????? ????, ? ???? ??????? ??? ??, ??? ???????????????? ?????? ?? PI/AS >> (? ??? ????? - ?????????? ? ???????? ??????) - ?????????? ???????? >> ?????? LIR'?. >> >> ? ??? ????????? ?????? PI/AS, ???????????? "?????????? ??????????", ??? >> ???? ?????????? ???? ????????? ????????, ?? ????????????? RIPE. >> >>>> ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI >>>> ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? >>>> ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? >>>> ???-??????????. >>> ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? >> ????????? ???????????. >> >> ?????? ???? ??????: ?????? ????? ?? "???????? ??????" ?? ??? ??? ?? >> ????????? ? address-policy-wg? > > ?? ??? ?? ? ????????. ?? ??????????? ?????????? ? ??????. ????????, ???, > ?????????? ??-?? ? ??-??. ????? ????? ?????. > > ???????. > >> -- >> WBR, >> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) >> >> > > > With respect, > Larisa Yurkina > --- > RIPN Registry center > ----- > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From abramov at demos.net Fri May 4 09:26:27 2007 From: abramov at demos.net (Gennady Abramov) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:26:27 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?utf-8?Q?=5Breg?= =?utf-8?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Breg?= =?utf-8?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Breg?= =?utf-8?B?aW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSBSZTogW3JlZ2lvbmFsLXJ1c3NpYV0g0J/QvtC00LQ=?= =?utf-8?B?0LXRgNC2PWtvaTg=?= In-Reply-To: <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070504072627.GA94871@demos.net> Hello, ????, PI ? ???? ??????? ?? ??? ?? ????? - ??? ????????????? ?????????? ?????-????? ???????? ASSIGMENT PA ? ???????? ??????? ??????? ???????????????? ??? ????? AS. ? ???? ?????? ??? ????????? ???????? - ?? ? ?????? ??????? NAT'a. PI ????? ?????? ??? ????, ????? ???????? ????????????, ????? ????. ? ????????, ??? ????? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ??????? ????? ????????????? ????, ??? ???????????. ? ??????????? ??? ???? - ??? ?? ?????, ???? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ??? ????-?? ??????????, ??????, ? 99 ????????? ???????. ??? ?? - ????? - ?????? ????????? ???????, ??????? ????? AS, ?? ??????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????????? ?????????? - ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?? ???????? ??? ???????, ???????? ??????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????????, ??? PI ??? ?? ?????? ? ?????, ???, ???? ???????? - ?? ?????? ????????, ??? ??? PI ? AS ??? ? ????? ??????? ???????????????? ?? ??????, ?????? ??? ?? - ???? ????????????????, ? ???, ?????????? ? ????. RIPE ?? ???????????????? ????? ?? ???????? (? ??????????? ???-?? ????????? ?????? ???????? ? ????????? RIR'??? ????? ?? ?????????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????? ???????? ?? 32-bit AS ? IPv6 ? ?? ????), ??????? - ?????????? - ??? ?????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ???????? ???????? ????????????, ????????, ????? ?????, ???? PI (? AS) ????? ???????? RIPE , ? ?? ???????????????? ????, ? ?????????, ??, ? ???? ????????? PI ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????????? ?? very cheap. ???????, ???? ???????? RIR'?? ???? ???? ?????????????? ?????? ?????? - ???? ?? ??? 5-7 ?????. ?????? ??? ?-??, ?????? ?? ????????. On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 04:45:16PM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. > > ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI > ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? > ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? > ???-??????????. > > ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?? LIR'??? ???, ???? ????? ???????????? ???????? ????, ??? ??? ???????? ? ????, ??? ?????? ?????? > ?????? /24 PI ??????? ????? /20 PA, ??????? ??? ????? ???? conservation. > > Igor Chentsov wrote: > > Hi, Larisa. > > > > You wrote 3 ??? 2007 ?., 13:59:25: > > > >> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote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ripe, ? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? > > (???? ? ?? ????????, Isabel Pinto Coelho Sena) ??????? ?????????? > > ????????? PI. ? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ?????, ? ? ????????? ?????? > > ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????, > > ????????? ???????????? PI ?? ??????. ???, ??????? ?? ????????????, > > ?????? ?? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ???? ???????? ???????????????? > > ??????? c PI. ?? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ?????, ??????? ????-?? > > ?? "????????????" ??? ???????? ripe. > > ?????? ???????????????, ??? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? "ripe ??? ?? > > ??????????? ???????????". (? ?? ??? ??? ?????). ???? ????????????? ? > > ??? ????? ?????????? ????? PI ???? ??????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ? > > ?????? ???? ???? ? ???????????. ???????, ??? LIR ????????????? ? ???, ????? > > ???????????????? ??????? PI ???? ???????? (? ? ????????). > > ? ????????? ???????, ???? ???? ??????? ?????????? ????? PI ????, LIR ?????? ?? > > ????????????? ?????? ??? PI ?????? PA. > > ??? ????????? ????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ???-?? ?????, ?????? ?? > > ??????? ?????????. > > ????? ???????? ???? ????-?? ????????? ????????. > > > > --- > > cron-ripe > > > >>> -- > >>> Dmitry Kiselev > >>> > > > > > >> With respect, > >> Larisa Yurkina > >> --- > >> RIPN Registry center > >> ----- > > > > > > > > > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) -- Gennady Abramov, CCNA, CCNP; Demos-Internet NOC abramov at demos.net , AGV77-RIPE From abramov at demos.net Fri May 4 09:31:31 2007 From: abramov at demos.net (Gennady Abramov) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:31:31 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?utf-8?Q?=5Breg?= =?utf-8?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Breg?= =?utf-8?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Breg?= =?utf-8?B?aW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSBSZTogW3JlZ2lvbmFsLXJ1c3NpYV0g0J/QvtC00LQ=?= =?utf-8?B?0LXRgNC2PWtvaTg=?= In-Reply-To: <4639EE84.7010702@ukraine.su> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <218934031.20070503180431@camelottc.com> <4639EE84.7010702@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070504073131.GA95544@demos.net> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 05:15:32PM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > ? ??? ????????? ?????? PI/AS, ???????????? "?????????? ??????????", ??? > ???? ?????????? ???? ????????? ????????, ?? ????????????? RIPE. ??? ?? ??? ??????-???? ??????? ???-??? ????? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????????????? ??? ?????? ???????? > > >> ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI > >> ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? > >> ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? > >> ???-??????????. > > ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? > > ????????? ???????????. > > ?????? ???? ??????: ?????? ????? ?? "???????? ??????" ?? ??? ??? ?? > ????????? ? address-policy-wg? > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) -- Gennady Abramov, CCNP; abramov at bpr.su , AGV77-RIPE From president at ukraine.su Fri May 4 09:50:54 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 10:50:54 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2k=?= =?UTF-8?B?YV0gUmVbMl06IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2k=?= =?UTF-8?B?YV0gUmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlWzJdOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2k=?= =?UTF-8?B?YV0gUmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdINCf0L7QtNC00LXRgNC2PWtvaTg=?= In-Reply-To: <20070504073131.GA95544@demos.net> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <218934031.20070503180431@camelottc.com> <4639EE84.7010702@ukraine.su> <20070504073131.GA95544@demos.net> Message-ID: <463AE5DE.9010500@ukraine.su> ???, ? ?? ??? ??? ? ?????? ??????. ? ??? ??? ??? ???????????? ???????... Gennady Abramov wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 05:15:32PM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: >> ? ??? ????????? ?????? PI/AS, ???????????? "?????????? ??????????", ??? >> ???? ?????????? ???? ????????? ????????, ?? ????????????? RIPE. > ??? ?? ??? ??????-???? ??????? ???-??? ????? ??? ???????? ???????? > ??????????????? ??? ?????? ???????? > > >>>> ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI >>>> ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? >>>> ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? >>>> ???-??????????. >>> ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? >> ????????? ???????????. >> >> ?????? ???? ??????: ?????? ????? ?? "???????? ??????" ?? ??? ??? ?? >> ????????? ? address-policy-wg? >> >> -- >> WBR, >> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Fri May 4 10:03:22 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:03:22 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ussia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=3Dkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> Message-ID: <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> ???? ? ???, ??? ??????? ?????? PI ?? ??????????? ? ??? ???? ???????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ????????. ?????? ? ???? ?? ?????, ??? ?????. ? ??????, ?????????. ? ??????? ??????. ?????? ??????. PI - ??? ?? ?????? ???????????, ? AS - ??? ?? ?????? ???????. PA more specific - ??? ???????. ?? ???? ?? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ???????? ??? ????, ? ??? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???????. ?????????, ????? ????????? ?? ????? ????. ? ? ??????? (??????) ?? ASN32/IPv6 ? ?? ????. ?? ??????? ????, ??? ?????? ???? ?? ???, ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? V6-???????? (? ?.?. ? RIPE). ? ?? ?? ?????, ? ????. "???-?? ??????"? ?????? ?? ram at iab.org, ??? ??? ??? ????????????? ? ???????????. ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? (??. ???? ??? ??????????? ?????????) LISP/SHIM/HIP. ?, ??? ?????????????? user multihoming'??, ??? ?????????. P.S. ??????, ? ????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ??? ???? ? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????? ??-?? ????? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???? ??????-??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ??-?? ????????? ?????? ??????? (?????? ??, ??????? ??? ? ??? ?????????). Gennady Abramov wrote: > ????, > > PI ? ???? ??????? ?? ??? ?? ????? - ??? ????????????? ?????????? ?????-????? ???????? ASSIGMENT PA ? ???????? ??????? ??????? ???????????????? ????? AS. ? ???? ?????? ??? ????????? ???????? - ?? ? ?????? ??????? NAT'a. PI ????? ?????? ??? ????, ????? ???????? ????????????. ? ????????, ??? ????? ??? ?????????, ? ??? ??????? ????? ????????????? ????, ??? ???????????. > ? ??????????? ??? ???? - ??? ?? ?????, ???? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ??? ????-?? ??????????, ??????, ? 99 ????????? ???????. ??? ?? - ????? - ?????? ????????? ???????, ??????? ????? AS, ?? ??????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????????? ?????????? - ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?? ???????? ??? ???????, ???????? ??????????? ? ???? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????????, ??? PI ??? ?? ?????? > ? ?????, ???, ???? ???????? - ?? ?????? ????????, ??? ??? PI ? AS ??? ? ????? ??????? ???????????????? ?? ??????, ?????? ??? ?? - ???? ????????????????, ? ???, ?????????? ? ????. > RIPE ?? ???????????????? ????? ?? ???????? (? ??????????? ???-?? ????????? ?????? ???????? ? ????????? RIR'??? ????? ?? ?????????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????? ???????? ?? 32-bit AS ? IPv6 ? ?? ????), ??????? - ?????????? - ??? ?????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ???????? ???????? ????????????, ????????, ????? ?????, ???? PI (? AS) ????? ???????? RIPE , ? ?? ???????????????? ????, ? ?????????, ??, ? ???? ????????? PI ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????????? ?? very cheap. > ???????, ???? ???????? RIR'?? ???? ???? ?????????????? ?????? ?????? - ???? ?? ??? 5-7 ?????. ?????? ??? ?-??, ?????? ?? ????????. > > > -- > Gennady Abramov, CCNP, abramov at bpr.su > BPR Ltd, http://www.bpr.su > Phone: +7 485 956 7523 Fax: +7 495 9567536 > > -----Original Message----- > From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 5:45 PM > To: Igor Chentsov > Cc: Larisa A. Yurkina; regional-russia at ripe.net > Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ???????=koi8 > > ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. > > ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? ???-??????????. > > ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?? LIR'??? ???, ???? ????? > Igor Chentsov wrote: >> Hi, Larisa. >> >> You wrote 3 ??? 2007 ?., 13:59:25: >> >>> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: >>>> ?????? ????! >>>> >>>>> ?? ???, ??????. >>>>> ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ??? ???. >>>> ?????? ???: ? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???????????. >>>> ? ??????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ??????. ???? ??? >>>> ?????? ??????? ??? ???? ???????????? ????????????, ???? ???? - ????????. >>> ???? ????????? ?????? ?? ??????????. ????? ?? ??????????? ?????. >>> ????? ????? ????????????? ????????? ??????? RIPE NCC. >>> ???? ?? ???????? ? ????????? ????????, ????????? ?????. >>> ? ????????? ?????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ????? ?????????? ????? ????????. >> ??????, ??? ???? ? ?? ??????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ????????? ?????? >> ????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ripe, ? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? >> (???? ? ?? ????????, Isabel Pinto Coelho Sena) ??????? ?????????? >> ????????? PI. ? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ?????, ? ? ????????? ?????? >> ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????, >> ????????? ???????????? PI ?? ??????. ???, ??????? ?? ????????????, >> ?????? ?? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ???? ???????? ???????????????? ??????? >> c PI. ?? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ?????, ??????? ????-?? ?? >> "????????????" ??? ???????? ripe. >> ?????? ???????????????, ??? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? "ripe ??? ?? >> ??????????? ???????????". (? ?? ??? ??? ?????). ???? ????????????? ? >> ??? ????? ?????????? ????? PI ???? ??????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ? >> ?????? ???? ???? ? ???????????. ???????, ??? LIR ????????????? ? ???, >> ????? ???????????????? ??????? PI ???? ???????? (? ? ????????). >> ? ????????? ???????, ???? ???? ??????? ?????????? ????? PI ????, LIR >> ?????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??? PI ?????? PA. >> ??? ????????? ????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ???-?? ?????, ?????? ?? >> ??????? ?????????. >> ????? ???????? ???? ????-?? ????????? ????????. >> >> --- >> cron-ripe >> >>>> -- >>>> Dmitry Kiselev >>>> >> >>> With respect, >>> Larisa Yurkina >>> --- >>> RIPN Registry center >>> ----- >> >> >> > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From dmitry at volia.net Fri May 4 10:20:35 2007 From: dmitry at volia.net (Dmitry Kiselev) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:20:35 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?Q?egional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregiona?= =?koi8-r?Q?l-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregion?= =?koi8-r?B?YWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLWPWtvaTg=?= In-Reply-To: <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070504082034.GI59980@f17.dmitry.net> ?????? ????! On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 11:03:22AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > P.S. ??????, ? ????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ??? ???? ? ???? > ????????? ???????? ???????? ??-?? ????? ?????? ?????????????? ?, ????????. ?????? ??????? DFC3C ? ??????? DFC3CXL, ?????? ?? ??????? ????? ?? ?????? ??????. ??????? ?????, ???????????. ??????? ?? ?????????? ??????????? ????? ?????? ??????????. ????, ????? ?????? ???????, PI ? ????? global routing table ?????? ????????, ?? ?? ???????? ????. > ? ???? ??????-??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ??????????? > ??-?? ????????? ?????? ??????? (?????? ??, ??????? ??? ? ??? > ?????????). -- Dmitry Kiselev From dmitry at volia.net Fri May 4 10:37:12 2007 From: dmitry at volia.net (Dmitry Kiselev) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:37:12 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?Q?egional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregiona?= =?koi8-r?Q?l-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregion?= =?koi8-r?B?YWwtcnVzc2lhXSDwz8TExdLWPWtvaTg=?= In-Reply-To: <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> ?????? ????! On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 11:03:22AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > ? ? ??????? (??????) ?? ASN32/IPv6 ? ?? ????. ?? ??????? ????, ??? > ?????? ???? ?? ???, ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ? ????????? > ??????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? V6-???????? (? ?.?. ? RIPE). > ? ?? ?? ?????, ? ????. ??? ?? ???? ????? ? PA, PI ? multihoming ????? ???-?? ?? ?????????????? ????????? ??????... ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????: /17-/16 ? ??????????? ?? ???? ???. IP connectivity ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ? ????????? ????? ?? ???????????. ? ???????????? allocations ??? 80% ????????? ? ???? ???? ??????? ???????. ? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????: 1. ?????? PA ?? ?????? allocation, ???????????????? ASN ??? BGP origination ? ????????? ??? more specific. Scalability ??? ???? ?????? ???????????, ???? - ??????. 2. ???????? PI+ASN. benefits ????? ?? ??? ? ?????????? ??????. policy ??? ???? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? end users ??? ???????? ?? 1 IP. ???? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????? /16 PI... 3. ????????? NCC ???????? policy ? ?????? ????????? allocation. 4. ??????? ?????? ??????????????? LIR. ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????? -- Dmitry Kiselev From abramov at demos.net Fri May 4 10:37:30 2007 From: abramov at demos.net (Gennady Abramov) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:37:30 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?utf-8?Q?=5Breg?= =?utf-8?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Breg?= =?utf-8?Q?ional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?utf-8?Q?ussia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?utf-8?B?dXNzaWFdINCf0L7QtNC00LXRgNC2PWtvaTg=?= In-Reply-To: <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <20070504083730.GB95544@demos.net> On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 11:03:22AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > ?????? ??????. PI - ??? ?? ?????? ???????????, ? AS - ??? ?? ?????? > ???????. PA more specific - ??? ???????. ?? ???? ?? ???????? ?????? > ?????????? ?????? ?? ???????? ??? ????, ? ??? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? > ?????????? ??????? ???????. ?????????, ????? ????????? ?? ????? ????. ??... ??? ??????????? ???????????? ???????? - ????? ????????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????????? (? ???? ?????? ??? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ???????????? ????????????...). ?????? ??? ? ???? ????? ???????? more specific, ??????? route ??????? - ?????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ???????. ?? ??? ??? ?????, ? ????? PA more specific vs PI ????? ???? ????????? ?????????? ???????????? ??????, ?? ??? AS - ??? ???-???? ?????? ???????. > ? ? ??????? (??????) ?? ASN32/IPv6 ? ?? ????. ?? ??????? ????, ??? > ?????? ???? ?? ???, ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ? ????????? > ??????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? V6-???????? (? ?.?. ? RIPE). > ? ?? ?? ?????, ? ????. 16-bit AS ????? ??????????, ?????? ?? ? ??? ????. ? IPv6 - ??, ???? ???? ????? ???????? ????????. > P.S. ??????, ? ????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ??? ???? ? ???? > ????????? ???????? ???????? ??-?? ????? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???? > ??????-??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ??-?? ????????? > ?????? ??????? (?????? ??, ??????? ??? ? ??? ?????????). ?? ?????? ??? ???????????? > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gennady Abramov, CCNP, abramov at bpr.su > > BPR Ltd, http://www.bpr.su > > Phone: +7 485 956 7523 Fax: +7 495 9567536 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 5:45 PM > > To: Igor Chentsov > > Cc: Larisa A. Yurkina; regional-russia at ripe.net > > Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ???????=koi8 > > > > ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. > > > > ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? ???-??????????. > > > > ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?? LIR'??? ???, ???? ????? > > > Igor Chentsov wrote: > >> Hi, Larisa. > >> > >> You wrote 3 ??? 2007 ?., 13:59:25: > >> > >>> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote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ripe, ? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? > >> (???? ? ?? ????????, Isabel Pinto Coelho Sena) ??????? ?????????? > >> ????????? PI. ? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ?????, ? ? ????????? ?????? > >> ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????, > >> ????????? ???????????? PI ?? ??????. ???, ??????? ?? ????????????, > >> ?????? ?? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ???? ???????? ???????????????? ??????? > >> c PI. ?? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ?????, ??????? ????-?? ?? > >> "????????????" ??? ???????? ripe. > >> ?????? ???????????????, ??? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? "ripe ??? ?? > >> ??????????? ???????????". (? ?? ??? ??? ?????). ???? ????????????? ? > >> ??? ????? ?????????? ????? PI ???? ??????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ? > >> ?????? ???? ???? ? ???????????. ???????, ??? LIR ????????????? ? ???, > >> ????? ???????????????? ??????? PI ???? ???????? (? ? ????????). > >> ? ????????? ???????, ???? ???? ??????? ?????????? ????? PI ????, LIR > >> ?????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??? PI ?????? PA. > >> ??? ????????? ????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ???-?? ?????, ?????? ?? > >> ??????? ?????????. > >> ????? ???????? ???? ????-?? ????????? ????????. > >> > >> --- > >> cron-ripe > >> > >>>> -- > >>>> Dmitry Kiselev > >>>> > >> > >>> With respect, > >>> Larisa Yurkina > >>> --- > >>> RIPN Registry center > >>> ----- > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > WBR, > > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > > > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) -- Gennady Abramov, CCNP; abramov at bpr.su , AGV77-RIPE From president at ukraine.su Fri May 4 10:41:00 2007 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:41:00 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-r?= =?KOI8-R?Q?ussia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5B?= =?KOI8-R?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_?= =?KOI8-R?Q?Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=3Dkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> Message-ID: <463AF19C.6020905@ukraine.su> ??????? /16 PI? :) Dmitry Kiselev wrote: > ?????? ????! > > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 11:03:22AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > >> ? ? ??????? (??????) ?? ASN32/IPv6 ? ?? ????. ?? ??????? ????, ??? >> ?????? ???? ?? ???, ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ? ????????? >> ??????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? V6-???????? (? ?.?. ? RIPE). >> ? ?? ?? ?????, ? ????. > > ??? ?? ???? ????? ? PA, PI ? multihoming ????? ???-?? ?? ?????????????? > ????????? ??????... ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????: /17-/16 ? ??????????? > ?? ???? ???. IP connectivity ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ? ????????? ????? ?? > ???????????. ? ???????????? allocations ??? 80% ????????? ? ???? ???? > ??????? ???????. ? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????: > > 1. ?????? PA ?? ?????? allocation, ???????????????? ASN ??? BGP origination > ? ????????? ??? more specific. Scalability ??? ???? ?????? ???????????, > ???? - ??????. > 2. ???????? PI+ASN. benefits ????? ?? ??? ? ?????????? ??????. policy ??? > ???? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? end users ??? ???????? ?? 1 IP. ???? ?????? > ???????? ? ?????????? /16 PI... > 3. ????????? NCC ???????? policy ? ?????? ????????? allocation. > 4. ??????? ?????? ??????????????? LIR. > > ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????? > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From ula at ripn.net Fri May 4 10:55:20 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:55:20 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?koi8-r?B?W3Jl?= =?koi8-r?Q?gional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_=5Br?= =?koi8-r?Q?egional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregiona?= =?ko In-Reply-To: <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> Message-ID: <20070504125122.A7567-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Fri, 4 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: ????????????! > ?????? ????! > > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 11:03:22AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > > > ? ? ??????? (??????) ?? ASN32/IPv6 ? ?? ????. ?? ??????? ????, ??? > > ?????? ???? ?? ???, ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ? ????????? > > ??????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? V6-???????? (? ?.?. ? RIPE). > > ? ?? ?? ?????, ? ????. > > ??? ?? ???? ????? ? PA, PI ? multihoming ????? ???-?? ?? ?????????????? > ????????? ??????... ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????: /17-/16 ? ??????????? > ?? ???? ???. IP connectivity ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ? ????????? ????? ?? > ???????????. ? ???????????? allocations ??? 80% ????????? ? ???? ???? > ??????? ???????. ? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????: > > 1. ?????? PA ?? ?????? allocation, ???????????????? ASN ??? BGP origination > ? ????????? ??? more specific. Scalability ??? ???? ?????? ???????????, > ???? - ??????. ??? ??????? ?? ????, ??? ?????? - Scalability ??? ?????????. > 2. ???????? PI+ASN. benefits ????? ?? ??? ? ?????????? ??????. policy ??? > ???? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? end users ??? ???????? ?? 1 IP. ???? ?????? > ???????? ? ?????????? /16 PI... PI allocations ?? ??????????, ? assignement ?????? ??????? ?? ??????. > 3. ????????? NCC ???????? policy ? ?????? ????????? allocation. Sorry, unfortunately, it's impossible, please see ... :) > 4. ??????? ?????? ??????????????? LIR. > ??? ??? ?????????. > ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????? > > -- > Dmitry Kiselev > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From ula at ripn.net Fri May 4 11:04:48 2007 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:04:48 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] R =?koi8-r?Q?e=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_= In-Reply-To: <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> Message-ID: <20070504123047.L7567-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Fri, 4 May 2007, Gennady Abramov wrote: > RIPE ?? ???????????????? ????? ?? ???????? (? ??????????? ???-?? ????????? ?????? ???????? ? ????????? RIR'??? ????? ?? ?????????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????? ???????? ?? 32-bit AS ? IPv6 ? ?? ????), ??????? - ?????????? - ??? ?????????? ????????? ???????????? ? ???????? ???????? ????????????, ????????, ????? ?????, ???? PI (? AS) ????? ???????? RIPE , ? ?? ???????????????? ????, ? ?????????, ??, ? ???? ????????? PI ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????????? ?? very cheap. very cheap ??? ?? ?????? ????. ??? ?????? ???? ???????? ?? RIPE NCC ???????, ??? ????? LIR. ??? ???????, ??? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ??????????, ?????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??????????? - End user ??? LIR ? ????????? End user'?. ???? ?????? ???? ?????, ????? ?? ????? ??? ????????? ???, ???? PI ????????????? ?????, ? ?? ???, ??? ? ??? PI ?????? ????? ????????. > ???????, ???? ???????? RIR'?? ???? ???? ?????????????? ?????? ?????? - ???? ?? ??? 5-7 ?????. ?????? ??? ?-??, ?????? ?? ????????. > > > -- > Gennady Abramov, CCNP, abramov at bpr.su > BPR Ltd, http://www.bpr.su > Phone: +7 485 956 7523 Fax: +7 495 9567536 > > -----Original Message----- > From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 5:45 PM > To: Igor Chentsov > Cc: Larisa A. Yurkina; regional-russia at ripe.net > Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ???????=koi8 > > ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. > > ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? ???-??????????. > > ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?? LIR'??? ???, ???? ????? > Igor Chentsov wrote: > > Hi, Larisa. > > > > You wrote 3 ??? 2007 ?., 13:59:25: > > > >> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote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ripe, ? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? > > (???? ? ?? ????????, Isabel Pinto Coelho Sena) ??????? ?????????? > > ????????? PI. ? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ?????, ? ? ????????? ?????? > > ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????, > > ????????? ???????????? PI ?? ??????. ???, ??????? ?? ????????????, > > ?????? ?? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ???? ???????? ???????????????? ??????? > > c PI. ?? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ?????, ??????? ????-?? ?? > > "????????????" ??? ???????? ripe. > > ?????? ???????????????, ??? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? "ripe ??? ?? > > ??????????? ???????????". (? ?? ??? ??? ?????). ???? ????????????? ? > > ??? ????? ?????????? ????? PI ???? ??????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ? > > ?????? ???? ???? ? ???????????. ???????, ??? LIR ????????????? ? ???, > > ????? ???????????????? ??????? PI ???? ???????? (? ? ????????). > > ? ????????? ???????, ???? ???? ??????? ?????????? ????? PI ????, LIR > > ?????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??? PI ?????? PA. > > ??? ????????? ????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ???-?? ?????, ?????? ?? > > ??????? ?????????. > > ????? ???????? ???? ????-?? ????????? ????????. > > > > --- > > cron-ripe > > > >>> -- > >>> Dmitry Kiselev > >>> > > > > > >> With respect, > >> Larisa Yurkina > >> --- > >> RIPN Registry center > >> ----- > > > > > > > > > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From marck at rinet.ru Fri May 4 11:19:39 2007 From: marck at rinet.ru (Dmitry Morozovsky) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:19:39 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] /16 subsidiary In-Reply-To: <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> Message-ID: <20070504131712.O55234@woozle.rinet.ru> On Fri, 4 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: DK> ??? ?? ???? ????? ? PA, PI ? multihoming ????? ???-?? ?? ?????????????? DK> ????????? ??????... ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????: /17-/16 ? ??????????? DK> ?? ???? ???. IP connectivity ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ? ????????? ????? ?? DK> ???????????. ? ???????????? allocations ??? 80% ????????? ? ???? ???? DK> ??????? ???????. ? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????: DK> DK> 1. ?????? PA ?? ?????? allocation, ???????????????? ASN ??? BGP origination DK> ? ????????? ??? more specific. Scalability ??? ???? ?????? ???????????, DK> ???? - ??????. DK> 2. ???????? PI+ASN. benefits ????? ?? ??? ? ?????????? ??????. policy ??? DK> ???? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? end users ??? ???????? ?? 1 IP. ???? ?????? DK> ???????? ? ?????????? /16 PI... DK> 3. ????????? NCC ???????? policy ? ?????? ????????? allocation. DK> 4. ??????? ?????? ??????????????? LIR. DK> DK> ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????? 4 - ????? "??????????" ??????. ??, ??? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? ? 3. ??? 80% - ??? rule of thumb, ? ?? ?????. ????????????, ??? ??????? - "IP connectivity ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ? ????????? ????? ?? ???????????" ? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck at rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Rom at beeline.ru Fri May 4 11:35:19 2007 From: Rom at beeline.ru (Natalya V Romashova) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:35:19 +0400 Subject: Ha: [regional-russia] /16 subsidiary In-Reply-To: <20070504131712.O55234@woozle.rinet.ru> Message-ID: ????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????, ??????? ?????? ????? ?????? ????????????? ??? ??????????? ? ??????? ? ?????????? ????. ???? ?????. ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?? ????? - ????? ????? ????????? ??????. Best regards, Head of Internet resource department OAO "VimpelCom" Nataliya V. Romashova tel. +7 909 991-(20-91) tel. +7(495)743-01-70 fax. +7(495)985-99-90 e-mail: rom at beeline.ru Dmitry Morozovsky ??: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net 04.05.2007 13:19 ???? regional-russia at ripe.net ????? ???? [regional-russia] /16 subsidiary On Fri, 4 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: DK> ??? ?? ???? ????? ? PA, PI ? multihoming ????? ???-?? ?? ?????????????? DK> ????????? ??????... ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????: /17-/16 ? ??????????? DK> ?? ???? ???. IP connectivity ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ? ????????? ????? ?? DK> ???????????. ? ???????????? allocations ??? 80% ????????? ? ???? ???? DK> ??????? ???????. ? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????: DK> DK> 1. ?????? PA ?? ?????? allocation, ???????????????? ASN ??? BGP origination DK> ? ????????? ??? more specific. Scalability ??? ???? ?????? ???????????, DK> ???? - ??????. DK> 2. ???????? PI+ASN. benefits ????? ?? ??? ? ?????????? ??????. policy ??? DK> ???? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? end users ??? ???????? ?? 1 IP. ???? ?????? DK> ???????? ? ?????????? /16 PI... DK> 3. ????????? NCC ???????? policy ? ?????? ????????? allocation. DK> 4. ??????? ?????? ??????????????? LIR. DK> DK> ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????? 4 - ????? "??????????" ??????. ??, ??? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? ? 3. ??? 80% - ??? rule of thumb, ? ?? ?????. ????????????, ??? ??????? - "IP connectivity ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ? ????????? ????? ?? ???????????" ? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck at rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmitry at volia.net Fri May 4 12:06:30 2007 From: dmitry at volia.net (Dmitry Kiselev) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:06:30 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?us-ascii?Q?=5B?= =?us-ascii?Q?regional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D=3A_?= =?us-ascii?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=3A_=5Br?= =?us-ascii?Q?egiona_=3D=3Fko?= In-Reply-To: <20070504125122.A7567-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070504125122.A7567-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <20070504100630.GK59980@f17.dmitry.net> ?????? ????! On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 12:55:20PM +0400, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > > ??? ?? ???? ????? ? PA, PI ? multihoming ????? ???-?? ?? ?????????????? > > ????????? ??????... ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????: /17-/16 ? ??????????? > > ?? ???? ???. IP connectivity ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ? ????????? ????? ?? > > ???????????. ? ???????????? allocations ??? 80% ????????? ? ???? ???? > > ??????? ???????. ? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????: > > > > 1. ?????? PA ?? ?????? allocation, ???????????????? ASN ??? BGP origination > > ? ????????? ??? more specific. Scalability ??? ???? ?????? ???????????, > > ???? - ??????. > > ??? ??????? ?? ????, ??? ?????? - Scalability ??? ?????????. > > > 2. ???????? PI+ASN. benefits ????? ?? ??? ? ?????????? ??????. policy ??? > > ???? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? end users ??? ???????? ?? 1 IP. ???? ?????? > > ???????? ? ?????????? /16 PI... > > PI allocations ?? ??????????, ??? ? ?? ????? > ? assignement ?????? ??????? ?? ??????. ?????? ????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????-?? ???????? RIPE ?????????????? ???????????? ?????? PI assignment? > > 3. ????????? NCC ???????? policy ? ?????? ????????? allocation. > > Sorry, unfortunately, it's impossible, please see ... :) ??? ??? ????????, ??? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ????????????. ? NCC ???? ?????? ?? ??????... > > 4. ??????? ?????? ??????????????? LIR. > > > ??? ??? ?????????. ??? ???????, ?? ????? ??? ????????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ? ??????, ??? ??? ???????????. -- Dmitry Kiselev From a.koryukov at foratec-com.ru Fri May 4 12:42:28 2007 From: a.koryukov at foratec-com.ru (a.koryukov at foratec-com.ru) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 16:42:28 +0600 Subject: [regional-russia] /16 subsidiary In-Reply-To: <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> Message-ID: <54FC98EC6299E24788C3940264FB2F7C04074525@yek-for-ex01.foratec.net> ?????? ?????? ??????? ? PA. ??-??????, ?????? ???????? scalability ??? ????? ???????? (/16). ?????? ????? ????? ????????? allocation ?? ??? ?????? ?????. ??-??????, ??? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?? PA assigment ???????? /16 - /17 (??? ?????, ?? ??????????). ?????, ? ????? ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ? ???????????? allocations (80% ???? ????? ??????????), ????????????? ??? ???? PA allocation. ? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? PA allocation ?????????, ??? ?? ??????? PA assigment (? ????? ? sub-allocation!) ????????. ?-???????, ?????????? ???????? ??? ???? ASN. ?????? ?????? ? ??????????????. ?.?. ? ??? ??? ???????, ? ??? ????????? ????????. ????????? ??????? ???????????? ?????? IP ??? "??????? ????????????" > -----Original Message----- > From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net > [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Dmitry Kiselev > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:37 PM > To: regional-russia at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re: > [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: > [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: > [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ???????=koi8 > > ?????? ????! > > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 11:03:22AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > > > ? ? ??????? (??????) ?? ASN32/IPv6 ? ?? ????. ?? ??????? ????, ??? > > ?????? ???? ?? ???, ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ? ????????? > > ??????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? V6-???????? (? > ?.?. ? RIPE). > > ? ?? ?? ?????, ? ????. > > ??? ?? ???? ????? ? PA, PI ? multihoming ????? ???-?? ?? > ?????????????? > ????????? ??????... ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????: > /17-/16 ? ??????????? > ?? ???? ???. IP connectivity ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ? ????????? ????? ?? > ???????????. ? ???????????? allocations ??? 80% ????????? ? ???? ???? > ??????? ???????. ? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????: > > 1. ?????? PA ?? ?????? allocation, ???????????????? ASN ??? > BGP origination > ? ????????? ??? more specific. Scalability ??? ???? ?????? > ???????????, > ???? - ??????. > 2. ???????? PI+ASN. benefits ????? ?? ??? ? ?????????? > ??????. policy ??? > ???? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? end users ??? ???????? ?? 1 > IP. ???? ?????? > ???????? ? ?????????? /16 PI... > 3. ????????? NCC ???????? policy ? ?????? ????????? allocation. > 4. ??????? ?????? ??????????????? LIR. > > ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????? > > -- > Dmitry Kiselev > > From anton at alfer.ru Fri May 4 12:26:51 2007 From: anton at alfer.ru (Anton Alfer) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:26:51 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?Q?RE:_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re:_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re:_?= =?koi8-r?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D:_=5Bregional-russia=5D_R?= =?koi8-r?Q?e:_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re:_=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re=5B2=5D:_?= =?koi8-r?Q?=5Bregional-russia=5D_Re:_=5Bregional-russia=5D_=F0=CF?= =?koi8-r?Q?=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=3Dkoi8?= In-Reply-To: <20070504083730.GB95544@demos.net> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> <20070504083730.GB95544@demos.net> Message-ID: <000e01c78e36$bc85ec20$0202fea9@AlferLaptop> ???????, ?????? ????! ? ???? ????????? ? ????? ??????????? ??????: ??? ????? ?? ??????????? ? ???? ???????????? ?????????, ? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? ??????? ???????! ????? ????? anton at alfer.ru -----Original Message----- From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Gennady Abramov Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:37 PM To: Max Tulyev Cc: Gennady Abramov; Igor Chentsov; Larisa A. Yurkina; regional-russia at ripe.net Subject: Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ???????=koi8 On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 11:03:22AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > ?????? ??????. PI - ??? ?? ?????? ???????????, ? AS - ??? ?? ?????? > ???????. PA more specific - ??? ???????. ?? ???? ?? ???????? ?????? > ?????????? ?????? ?? ???????? ??? ????, ? ??? ??????? ?????? ?? > ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???????. ?????????, ????? ????????? ?? ????? ????. ??... ??? ??????????? ???????????? ???????? - ????? ????????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????????? (? ???? ?????? ??? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ???????????? ????????????...). ?????? ??? ? ???? ????? ???????? more specific, ??????? route ??????? - ?????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ???????. ?? ??? ??? ?????, ? ????? PA more specific vs PI ????? ???? ????????? ?????????? ???????????? ??????, ?? ??? AS - ??? ???-???? ?????? ???????. > ? ? ??????? (??????) ?? ASN32/IPv6 ? ?? ????. ?? ??????? ????, ??? > ?????? ???? ?? ???, ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ? ????????? > ??????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? V6-???????? (? ?.?. ? RIPE). > ? ?? ?? ?????, ? ????. 16-bit AS ????? ??????????, ?????? ?? ? ??? ????. ? IPv6 - ??, ???? ???? ????? ???????? ????????. > P.S. ??????, ? ????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ??? ???? ? ???? > ????????? ???????? ???????? ??-?? ????? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???? > ??????-??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ??-?? ????????? > ?????? ??????? (?????? ??, ??????? ??? ? ??? ?????????). ?? ?????? ??? ???????????? > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gennady Abramov, CCNP, abramov at bpr.su BPR Ltd, http://www.bpr.su > > Phone: +7 485 956 7523 Fax: +7 495 9567536 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net > > [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 5:45 PM > > To: Igor Chentsov > > Cc: Larisa A. Yurkina; regional-russia at ripe.net > > Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: > > [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: > > [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ???????=koi8 > > > > ?? ???? "?????????" - ???????? PI ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????. > > > > ? ??, ??? ???????, ????? ???????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ??????? PI ?????? ? ??????, ?????????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ???????? ??? ????? PI, ? ????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????, ????? ?????? PI ?????? ???? ????? ???-??????????. > > > > ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?? LIR'??? ???, ???? ????? > > > Igor Chentsov wrote: > >> Hi, Larisa. > >> > >> You wrote 3 ??? 2007 ?., 13:59:25: > >> > >>> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Dmitry Kiselev wrote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ripe, ? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? > >> ??????? (???? ? ?? ????????, Isabel Pinto Coelho Sena) ??????? > >> ?????????? ????????? PI. ? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ?????, ? ? > >> ????????? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ???? ?????? ???????? > >> ???? ????????, ????????? ???????????? PI ?? ??????. ???, ??????? ?? > >> ????????????, ?????? ?? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ???? ???????? > >> ???????????????? ??????? c PI. ?? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ????? ????? > >> ?????, ??????? ????-?? ?? "????????????" ??? ???????? ripe. > >> ?????? ???????????????, ??? ???????? ?? ?? ??????? "ripe ??? ?? > >> ??????????? ???????????". (? ?? ??? ??? ?????). ???? ????????????? > >> ? ??? ????? ?????????? ????? PI ???? ??????, ? ??? ????? ??????? ? > >> ?????? ???? ???? ? ???????????. ???????, ??? LIR ????????????? ? > >> ???, ????? ???????????????? ??????? PI ???? ???????? (? ? ????????). > >> ? ????????? ???????, ???? ???? ??????? ?????????? ????? PI ????, > >> LIR ?????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??? PI ?????? PA. > >> ??? ????????? ????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ???-?? ?????, ?????? > >> ?? ??????? ?????????. > >> ????? ???????? ???? ????-?? ????????? ????????. > >> > >> --- > >> cron-ripe > >> > >>>> -- > >>>> Dmitry Kiselev > >>>> > >> > >>> With respect, > >>> Larisa Yurkina > >>> --- > >>> RIPN Registry center > >>> ----- > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > WBR, > > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) > > > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) -- Gennady Abramov, CCNP; abramov at bpr.su , AGV77-RIPE From maxim at macomnet.ru Sat May 5 08:56:00 2007 From: maxim at macomnet.ru (Maxim Konovalov) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:56:00 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] unsubscribe (was million "Re") In-Reply-To: <000e01c78e36$bc85ec20$0202fea9@AlferLaptop> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> <20070504083730.GB95544@demos.net> <000e01c78e36$bc85ec20$0202fea9@AlferLaptop> Message-ID: <20070505105440.E45446@mp2.macomnet.net> On Fri, 4 May 2007, 14:26+0400, Anton Alfer wrote: > ???????, ?????? ????! ? ???? ????????? ? ????? ??????????? ??????: > ??? ????? ?? ??????????? ? ???? ???????????? ?????????, ? ?????????? > ?? ????? ????????? ??????? ???????! ????? ????? anton at alfer.ru ??????, ????????? ????????? ? ???????: List-Unsubscribe: , -- Maxim Konovalov From a.koryukov at foratec-com.ru Fri May 4 11:36:22 2007 From: a.koryukov at foratec-com.ru (a.koryukov at foratec-com.ru) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 15:36:22 +0600 Subject: [regional-russia] RE: [regional-russia] In-Reply-To: <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> References: <20070503094932.GE59980@f17.dmitry.net> <20070503135158.B87806-100000@capral.ripn.net> <98285322.20070503173340@camelottc.com> <4639E76C.3010901@ukraine.su> <5B909340F5EC5A4BAB461AFE022759F6A78897@icsdc.isoft.ru> <463AE8CA.8030308@ukraine.su> <20070504083712.GJ59980@f17.dmitry.net> Message-ID: <54FC98EC6299E24788C3940264FB2F7C040744BB@yek-for-ex01.foratec.net> ?????? ?????? ??????? ? PA. ??-??????, ?????? ???????? scalability ??? ????? ???????? (/16). ?????? ????? ????? ????????? allocation ?? ??? ?????? ?????. ??-??????, ??? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?? PA assigment ???????? /16 - /17 (??? ?????, ?? ??????????). ?????, ? ????? ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ? ???????????? allocations (80% ???? ????? ??????????), ????????????? ??? ???? PA allocation. ? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? PA allocation ?????????, ??? ?? ??????? PA assigment (? ????? ? sub-allocation!) ????????. ?-???????, ???????? ??? ???? ASN. ?????? ?????? ? ??????????????. ?.?. ? ??? ??? ???????, ? ??? ????????? ????????. ????????? ??????? ???????????? ?????? IP ??? "??????? ????????????" > -----Original Message----- > From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net > [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Dmitry Kiselev > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:37 PM > To: regional-russia at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re: > [regional-russia] Re[2]: [regional-russia] Re: > [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re[2]: > [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ???????=koi8 > > ?????? ????! > > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 11:03:22AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > > > ? ? ??????? (??????) ?? ASN32/IPv6 ? ?? ????. ?? ??????? ????, ??? > > ?????? ???? ?? ???, ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ? ????????? > > ??????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? V6-???????? (? > ?.?. ? RIPE). > > ? ?? ?? ?????, ? ????. > > ??? ?? ???? ????? ? PA, PI ? multihoming ????? ???-?? ?? > ?????????????? > ????????? ??????... ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????: > /17-/16 ? ??????????? > ?? ???? ???. IP connectivity ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ? ????????? ????? ?? > ???????????. ? ???????????? allocations ??? 80% ????????? ? ???? ???? > ??????? ???????. ? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????: > > 1. ?????? PA ?? ?????? allocation, ???????????????? ASN ??? > BGP origination > ? ????????? ??? more specific. Scalability ??? ???? ?????? > ???????????, > ???? - ??????. > 2. ???????? PI+ASN. benefits ????? ?? ??? ? ?????????? > ??????. policy ??? > ???? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? end users ??? ???????? ?? 1 > IP. ???? ?????? > ???????? ? ?????????? /16 PI... > 3. ????????? NCC ???????? policy ? ?????? ????????? allocation. > 4. ??????? ?????? ??????????????? LIR. > > ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????? > > -- > Dmitry Kiselev > > From contact at ripe.net Wed May 23 17:32:11 2007 From: contact at ripe.net (Paul Rendek) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:32:11 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] RIPE NCC Regional Meeting Moscow 2007 Message-ID: <46545E7B.3020209@ripe.net> [Apologies for duplicate e-mails] Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to announce that the next RIPE NCC Regional Meeting in Moscow, Russia, will be held 2 ? 3 October 2007. The meeting is free and open to anyone. The meeting enables the RIPE NCC to get direct feedback from members in the region. Attendees can also meet with RIPE NCC staff and other key industry players. Presentations ------------------ Presentations on region-specific issues will play a central part in the meeting agenda and we look forward to receiving your suggestions for presentations on topics that impact this region?s local Internet community. Please submit any proposals in English to: contact at ripe.net. Further Information --------------------------- More information about the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting Russia, is available at: www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2007/ Regards, Paul Rendek Head of Member Services & Communications RIPE NCC From contact at ripe.net Wed May 23 17:32:11 2007 From: contact at ripe.net (Paul Rendek) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:32:11 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Regional Meeting Moscow 2007 Message-ID: <46545E7B.3020209@ripe.net> [Apologies for duplicate e-mails] Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to announce that the next RIPE NCC Regional Meeting in Moscow, Russia, will be held 2 ? 3 October 2007. The meeting is free and open to anyone. The meeting enables the RIPE NCC to get direct feedback from members in the region. Attendees can also meet with RIPE NCC staff and other key industry players. Presentations ------------------ Presentations on region-specific issues will play a central part in the meeting agenda and we look forward to receiving your suggestions for presentations on topics that impact this region?s local Internet community. Please submit any proposals in English to: contact at ripe.net. Further Information --------------------------- More information about the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting Russia, is available at: www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2007/ Regards, Paul Rendek Head of Member Services & Communications RIPE NCC