From krylov at centertelecom.ru Mon Oct 3 14:49:05 2005 From: krylov at centertelecom.ru (=?Windows-1251?B?yvD76+7iIMAuwi4=?=) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:49:05 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] CENTERTELECOM Message-ID: <6727984515.20051003164905@centertelecom.ru> Dear Sirs! We represent Russian telecommunication company CenterTelecom (RU.CTC, RU.ELCOM). We have sent you the following fax dated August 24, 2005 (ref. number 08-15/219): Dear Sirs! We would like to remind You once again that for execution of the Agreement on double taxation on value added tax avoidance You should send us a document confirming permanent residence of Your company (RIPE NCC) on the territory of the Netherlands. According to the explanations given by the Finance Ministry of the Netherlands, the confirmation of the permanent residence of the companies-residents of the Netherlands is issued by the inspectors in every local tax authority. And in order to control the authenticity of the issued certificates the following procedure is conducted: - each certificate issued by the local tax inspector of the Netherlands and signed by him is submitted to the Finance Ministry of the Netherlands for legalization; - the legalization of certificates in the Finance Ministry of the Netherlands is conducted by the authorized person; - after the legalization of the certificate in the Finance Ministry of the Netherlands, it is sealed with APPOSTILLE in the judicial authority in Hague. We kindly inform You, that if You don't send us the document drawn up in compliance with the above mentioned procedure, than OJSC "CentarTelecom", as Fiscal Agent paying profit of the foreign company, will have to deduct income tax equal to the rate set in item 2 Article 284 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation (in this case the rate is 20%) and will pay You the income less income tax. In connection with all above mentioned and in order to confirm the lawfulness of income payment to Your company without the deduction of the income tax charged on the territory of the RF, We kindly request You to send us the above mentioned documents for the period of 2002-2004 as soon as possible. In response to our fax we have received from you the copies of two documents (Statement on the tax status of the business, Declaration of residence). Unfortunately, in accordance with the current Russian legislation the copies of these documents should contain the original seal and signature of the tax inspector, that will confirm the authenticity of the above mentioned documents. And, besides the documents for 2005, we also would like to receive from you the same documents for 2002-2004. We kindly request you to send these documents sealed and signed via DHL as soon as possible (DHL services are to be paid by us). Because of the absence of these documents our Accounting Department delayed payments for LIR RU.ELCOM. As soon as we get the documents we will effect all the necessary payments. Thanks for understanding. Sincerely Yours, A. Krylov mailto:krylov at centertelecom.ru From krylov at centertelecom.ru Mon Oct 3 14:58:50 2005 From: krylov at centertelecom.ru (=?Windows-1251?B?yvD76+7iIMAuwi4=?=) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:58:50 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] CENTERTELECOM Message-ID: <15228569531.20051003165850@centertelecom.ru> Dear Sirs! We represent Russian telecommunication company CenterTelecom (RU.CTC, RU.ELCOM). We have sent you the following fax dated August 24, 2005 (ref. number 08-15/219): Dear Sirs! We would like to remind You once again that for execution of the Agreement on double taxation on value added tax avoidance You should send us a document confirming permanent residence of Your company (RIPE NCC) on the territory of the Netherlands. According to the explanations given by the Finance Ministry of the Netherlands, the confirmation of the permanent residence of the companies-residents of the Netherlands is issued by the inspectors in every local tax authority. And in order to control the authenticity of the issued certificates the following procedure is conducted: - each certificate issued by the local tax inspector of the Netherlands and signed by him is submitted to the Finance Ministry of the Netherlands for legalization; - the legalization of certificates in the Finance Ministry of the Netherlands is conducted by the authorized person; - after the legalization of the certificate in the Finance Ministry of the Netherlands, it is sealed with APPOSTILLE in the judicial authority in Hague. We kindly inform You, that if You don't send us the document drawn up in compliance with the above mentioned procedure, than OJSC "CentarTelecom", as Fiscal Agent paying profit of the foreign company, will have to deduct income tax equal to the rate set in item 2 Article 284 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation (in this case the rate is 20%) and will pay You the income less income tax. In connection with all above mentioned and in order to confirm the lawfulness of income payment to Your company without the deduction of the income tax charged on the territory of the RF, We kindly request You to send us the above mentioned documents for the period of 2002-2004 as soon as possible. In response to our fax we have received from you the copies of two documents (Statement on the tax status of the business, Declaration of residence). Unfortunately, in accordance with the current Russian legislation the copies of these documents should contain the original seal and signature of the tax inspector, that will confirm the authenticity of the above mentioned documents. And, besides the documents for 2005, we also would like to receive from you the same documents for 2002-2004. We kindly request you to send these documents sealed and signed via DHL as soon as possible (DHL services are to be paid by us). Because of the absence of these documents our Accounting Department delayed payments for LIR RU.ELCOM. As soon as we get the documents we will effect all the necessary payments. Thanks for understanding. Sincerely Yours, A. Krylov mailto:krylov at centertelecom.ru From krylov at centertelecom.ru Mon Oct 3 15:04:48 2005 From: krylov at centertelecom.ru (=?Windows-1251?B?yvD76+7iIMAuwi4=?=) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:04:48 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] (no subject) Message-ID: <8428927671.20051003170448@centertelecom.ru> ????????????, regional-russia. -- ? ?????????, ?????? mailto:krylov at centertelecom.ru From denesh at aexiomus.net.uk Mon Oct 3 21:44:48 2005 From: denesh at aexiomus.net.uk (Denesh Bhabuta) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:44:48 +0100 Subject: [regional-russia] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8428927671.20051003170448@centertelecom.ru> References: <8428927671.20051003170448@centertelecom.ru> Message-ID: On 3 Oct 2005, at 14:04, ?????? ?.?. wrote: > ????????????, regional-russia. ???????????? ??????! ??? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? From krylov at centertelecom.ru Tue Oct 4 15:32:39 2005 From: krylov at centertelecom.ru (=?Windows-1251?B?yvD76+7iIMAuwi4=?=) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:32:39 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] CENTERTELECOM Message-ID: <13330008953.20051004173239@centertelecom.ru> And here is the official letter sent by our Accounting Department to RIPE NCC: Dear Sirs! OJSC "CenterTelecom" sent You the fax ? 08-15/219 dated August 24, 2005 with the request to provide the document, which confirms the permanent residence of RIPE NCC on the territory of the Netherlands, besides that You were informed about the procedure of issuing and certification of the corresponding document authenticity by the competent bodies. However, in response to our fax You have submitted the documents in the form of uncertified copies, so the documents drawn up this way don't comply with the Russian Federation tax authorities requirements, and can't give occasion to the application of the Agreement on Double Taxation Avoidance. We kindly request You to inform us as soon as possible if this document will be filed to us certified by the competent body of the Netherlands and if it will be sealed with appostille. We would like to inform You once again that if You don't send us in the near future the document, confirming the residence of RIPE NCC, drawn up in the proper way, than in order to avoid the tax risks, OJSC "CenterTelecom" as a Fiscal Agent will have to deduct income tax equal to the rate set in item 2 Article 284 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation (in this case the rate is 20%), so You will receive the income less income tax. Attachment: letter ?08-15/219 dated August 24, 2005. Yours sincerely, First Deputy General Director- Financial Director ?.?. Lokotkov Chief Accountant R.P. Konstantinova mailto:krylov at centertelecom.ru From jochem at ripe.net Wed Oct 5 09:51:33 2005 From: jochem at ripe.net (Jochem de Ruig) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:51:33 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] CENTERTELECOM In-Reply-To: <13330008953.20051004173239@centertelecom.ru> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20051004163018.0707be80@mailhost.ripe.net> Dear Mr. Krylov and all, Just a notification that I have seen this request and I am together with our lawyer investigating the legal and fiscal aspects of this matter. By the end of the week I will send an official reply regarding this. Kind regards, Jochem de Ruig RIPE NCC At 05:32 PM 10/4/2005 +0400, ?????? ?.?. wrote: >And here is the official letter sent by our Accounting Department to >RIPE NCC: > >Dear Sirs! > >OJSC "CenterTelecom" sent You the fax ? 08-15/219 dated August 24, 2005 >with the request to provide the document, which confirms the permanent >residence >of RIPE NCC on the territory of the Netherlands, besides that You were >informed >about the procedure of issuing and certification of the corresponding document >authenticity by the competent bodies. >However, in response to our fax You have submitted the documents >in the form of uncertified copies, so the documents drawn up this >way don't comply with the Russian Federation tax authorities requirements, >and can't give occasion to the application of the Agreement on Double >Taxation Avoidance. >We kindly request You to inform us as soon as possible if this document >will be filed >to us certified by the competent body of the Netherlands and if it will be >sealed >with appostille. >We would like to inform You once again that if You don't send us in the >near future >the document, confirming the residence of RIPE NCC, drawn up in the proper >way, >than in order to avoid the tax risks, OJSC "CenterTelecom" as a Fiscal >Agent will >have to deduct income tax equal to the rate set in item 2 Article 284 of >the Tax Code of the Russian Federation (in this case the rate is 20%), >so You will receive the income less income tax. > Attachment: letter ?08-15/219 dated August 24, 2005. > >Yours sincerely, > >First Deputy General Director- >Financial Director ?.?. Lokotkov > > >Chief Accountant R.P. Konstantinova > > > > > mailto:krylov at centertelecom.ru From zinin at psg.com Fri Oct 7 21:50:58 2005 From: zinin at psg.com (Alex Zinin) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:50:58 -0700 Subject: [regional-russia] 4-octet BGP AS numbers Message-ID: <293301495.20051007125058@psg.com> Folks- To follow up on the 4-octet AS numbers question: the IETF IDR WG has been discussing the proposal documented in draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-11.txt. The discussion is converging, and a WG Last Call has been started on this document. See the message attached below. It appears that the mechanism has recently been implemented by at least two vendors--Juniper and Redback. -- Alex http://www.psg.com/~zinin This is a forwarded message From: Yakov Rekhter To: idr at ietf.org Cc: skh at nexthop.com Date: Friday, October 7, 2005, 9:41:41 AM Subject: [Idr] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-11.txt ===8<==============Original message text=============== Folks, This is to start the WG Last Call on advancing draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-11.txt to a Proposed Standard. The implementation report is draft-huston-idr-as4bytes-survey-00.txt. The Last Call ends Oct 21, 2005. Yakov. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr at ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ===8<===========End of original message text=========== From jochem at ripe.net Tue Oct 11 18:12:54 2005 From: jochem at ripe.net (Jochem de Ruig) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:12:54 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] CENTERTELECOM In-Reply-To: <13330008953.20051004173239@centertelecom.ru> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20051010115032.02d9d310@mailhost.ripe.net> Dear All, There has been a delay in this response as I had to consult with our lawyers specialised in Russian legal issues. Further to your request I would like to inform you on the following. I have been informed that the Russian tax legislation refers only to two situations when profits of a foreign legal entity are subject to Russian profits tax (article 247 of the Russian Tax Code): - Where such profits are attributable to a permanent establishment of the legal entity in question; - Where such profits are derived from sources in the Russian Federation (for the legal entities which have no permanent establishments in Russia). RIPE NCC has no permanent establishment in Russia as it is "physically" not present in Russia. All services are rendered from our offices in Amsterdam. Therefore, RIPE NCC may only be taxed in Russia in respect of the Russian source income. Article 309 of the Russian Tax Code lists the types of "passive" income or income in some way territorially connected to Russia which are considered being Russian source and thus taxable in Russia in the hands of a foreign entity. Since income derived from services physically carried out in the Netherlands does not fall into this category, therefore our service fees are not taxed in Russia and you do not have to withhold 20% tax from fees paid to us. This follows from Russian domestic legislation an there is therefore no need to involve the double tax treaty between Russia and the Netherlands. Consequently, in our view, there is no need to provide Russian tax authorities with a certified copy of the residence confirmation. We do understand that you may need this document for your internal use and we can provide you with an electronic copy of the certificate. We are in the process of setting up an on-line fact sheet for Russian members, and this electronic copy may be placed there if necessary. Regards, Jochem de Ruig RIPE NCC At 05:32 PM 10/4/2005 +0400, ?????? ?.?. wrote: >And here is the official letter sent by our Accounting Department to >RIPE NCC: > >Dear Sirs! > >OJSC "CenterTelecom" sent You the fax ? 08-15/219 dated August 24, 2005 >with the request to provide the document, which confirms the permanent >residence >of RIPE NCC on the territory of the Netherlands, besides that You were >informed >about the procedure of issuing and certification of the corresponding document >authenticity by the competent bodies. >However, in response to our fax You have submitted the documents >in the form of uncertified copies, so the documents drawn up this >way don't comply with the Russian Federation tax authorities requirements, >and can't give occasion to the application of the Agreement on Double >Taxation Avoidance. >We kindly request You to inform us as soon as possible if this document >will be filed >to us certified by the competent body of the Netherlands and if it will be >sealed >with appostille. >We would like to inform You once again that if You don't send us in the >near future >the document, confirming the residence of RIPE NCC, drawn up in the proper >way, >than in order to avoid the tax risks, OJSC "CenterTelecom" as a Fiscal >Agent will >have to deduct income tax equal to the rate set in item 2 Article 284 of >the Tax Code of the Russian Federation (in this case the rate is 20%), >so You will receive the income less income tax. > Attachment: letter ?08-15/219 dated August 24, 2005. > >Yours sincerely, > >First Deputy General Director- >Financial Director ?.?. Lokotkov > > >Chief Accountant R.P. Konstantinova > > > > > mailto:krylov at centertelecom.ru From ula at ripn.net Wed Oct 12 10:26:04 2005 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:26:04 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] CENTERTELECOM (fwd) Message-ID: <20051012103620.V97641-100000@capral.ripn.net> Dear Jochem, since the question about certified copy of the residence confirmation is interesting to me and some others as far as i know, I've made a translation of your e-mail so that the information could be more clearly understood by people doing agreement with the RIPE NCC here. Thanks for your report, it was really interesting although not entirely indisputable concerning certified copy, I'm afraid :) ?????? ????! ??????? ???? ??????? ?????? Jochem de Ruig, ??????????? ? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ??????? (????????????) ? ????????????? ????????? ?? RIPE NCC ????????? ? ??????????????? RIPE NCC ? ???????????, ??????????? ???????????? ??????? ???????????. ? ?????? ???????????????? ?????????, ????? ?????????, ??????????? ???????? ????? ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????, ??????????????? ?????? ?? ??????? 20%, ? ???????????? ?? ??????? 284, ?.2 ( ????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????????? ???????????, ?? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ?????????? ????????? ????? ?????????? ?????????????????). With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:12:54 +0200 From: Jochem de Ruig To: "[iso-8859-1] ??????[iso-8859-1] ? . [iso-8859-1] ? ." , regional-russia at ripe.net Subject: Re: [regional-russia] CENTERTELECOM ????????? ???????, ????????? ???????? ? ???????, ????????? ? ?????? ??? ???????????????????? ? ?????? ????????, ??????????????????? ?? ?????????? ????????????????. ?? ??? ?????? ???? ???????? ?????????: ??? ??? ????????, ????? ?? ??????? ? ??????????? ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ??????? (????????? ?????? ??, ?????? 247) - ???? ??????????? ??????????? ???????????? ???????????? ? ?????????? ????????? ????? ?????????? ?????????????????, - ???? ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????????? ?????????. RIPE NCC ?? ????? ??????????? ????????????????? ? ??, ????????? "?????????" ?? ???????????? ? ??. ??? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC ? ??????????. ????? ???????, ???????? ????? ?? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????????? ?????????. ? ?????? 309 ?? ?? ??????????? ???? "??????????" ?????? ("passive" income) ??? ?????? ?????-???? ??????? ?????????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ?????????????? ?????????? ??????????, ???????????? ??????????? ????????????, ? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????? ? ??. ????????? ????? RIPE NCC ??????????? ?? ?????, ????????? ??????????? ? ???????????, RIPE NCC ?? ???????? ? ??? ?????????, ?????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????? ? ?? ? ??? ????????????? ????????? 20% ????? ??? ?????? ????? ?????. ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????????? ???????????????? ??? ???????? (from Russian domestic legislation), ??? ??????????? ?????????? ?? ????????? ???????? ??????????????? ????? ?? ? ????????????. ??????? ?? ???????, ??? ??? ????????????? (there is no need) ????????????? ?????????? ????????? ??????? ?????????? ????? ????????? ? ??????????????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????????? ??????????? (a certified copy of the residence confirmation). ?? ????????, ??? ???? ???????? ????? ???? ??? ????????? ??? ??????????? ???????????? (internal use), ??????? ????? ???????????? ??????????? ????? ?????????. ? ????? ????? ?? ???????? ??? ????????? ??????? ??? ?????????? ???????? (on-line fact sheet), ????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????, ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????. ? ?????????, Jochem de Ruig RIPE NCC At 05:32 PM 10/4/2005 +0400, ?????? ?.?. wrote: >And here is the official letter sent by our Accounting Department to >RIPE NCC: > >Dear Sirs! > >OJSC "CenterTelecom" sent You the fax ? 08-15/219 dated August 24, 2005 >with the request to provide the document, which confirms the permanent >residence >of RIPE NCC on the territory of the Netherlands, besides that You were >informed >about the procedure of issuing and certification of the corresponding document >authenticity by the competent bodies. >However, in response to our fax You have submitted the documents >in the form of uncertified copies, so the documents drawn up this >way don't comply with the Russian Federation tax authorities requirements, >and can't give occasion to the application of the Agreement on Double >Taxation Avoidance. >We kindly request You to inform us as soon as possible if this document >will be filed >to us certified by the competent body of the Netherlands and if it will be >sealed >with appostille. >We would like to inform You once again that if You don't send us in the >near future >the document, confirming the residence of RIPE NCC, drawn up in the proper >way, >than in order to avoid the tax risks, OJSC "CenterTelecom" as a Fiscal >Agent will >have to deduct income tax equal to the rate set in item 2 Article 284 of >the Tax Code of the Russian Federation (in this case the rate is 20%), >so You will receive the income less income tax. > Attachment: letter ?08-15/219 dated August 24, 2005. > >Yours sincerely, > >First Deputy General Director- >Financial Director ?.?. Lokotkov > > >Chief Accountant R.P. Konstantinova > > > > > mailto:krylov at centertelecom.ru From krylov at centertelecom.ru Tue Oct 18 15:11:06 2005 From: krylov at centertelecom.ru (=?Windows-1251?B?yvD76+7iIMAuwi4=?=) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:11:06 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Urgent !!! Message-ID: <12029550546.20051018171106@centertelecom.ru> Dear Sirs! We have received the confirmation of the tax status of Your company for 2005. Due to the tax inspection which is conducted now in OJSC "CenterTelecom", we kindly request You to fax +7 (095) 209 63 80 us as soon as possible the confirmations of tax status for 2002-2003 drawn up in the same way. Thanks for understanding. Sincerely Yours, A. Krylov mailto:krylov at centertelecom.ru From jochem at ripe.net Tue Oct 18 15:36:10 2005 From: jochem at ripe.net (Jochem de Ruig) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:36:10 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] Urgent !!! In-Reply-To: <12029550546.20051018171106@centertelecom.ru> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20051018152035.0539ebf0@mailhost.ripe.net> Dear Mr. Krylov, As I understand from your e-mail below you will not need a certified copy of the certificate of residency of the RIPE NCC. My understanding is that a copy of our tax status in the Netherlands is sufficient for your purposes. I will ask someone to fax these to you. In the future please send your service request not via the mailing list but directly to billing at ripe.net so we can process your request. For all mentioned previously this document is available on request (billing at ripe.net) by any member if required. Regards, Jochem de Ruig At 05:11 PM 10/18/2005 +0400, ?????? ?.?. wrote: >Dear Sirs! >We have received the confirmation of the tax status of Your company for 2005. >Due to the tax inspection which is conducted now in OJSC "CenterTelecom", >we kindly request You to fax +7 (095) 209 63 80 us as soon as possible >the confirmations of tax status for 2002-2003 drawn up in the same way. >Thanks for understanding. >Sincerely Yours, >A. Krylov > > mailto:krylov at centertelecom.ru