[members-discuss] [Ticket#2012071501000382] A summary for Proposal for New RIPENCC Charging Scheme Model

Hello again!

First I think that the idea to regulate resource consumption by taxing it
or putting price tags on each and every IP address is not a matter of
charging scheme but it has to eventually become an address policy first. I
do not know, but it seems to me that it is same thing as 2007-01.

When it comes to numbers, how many companies do you think would return some
resources? And how many resources in total? Who knows... But I know one
thing: If you want your "taxes" to be effective, to really make people
returning resources, you have to set them really high. It has to be cheaper
to purchase large CGNs (~ 100k EUR+), employ more people (~ 100k EUR) and
break own network (inestimable) than paying the fee. Such fee (say ~250k
EUR) for a mid-size company running MAN or few datacenters might (and
should) be a huge problem. And it is of course disadvantage in comparison
to other service regions that does not force LIRs to pay such a tax. Would
you be happy to pay the tax while I do not need to? I do not think so.

Just taking 20M EUR of RIPE NCC expenses and mapping that money to be paid
to ISPs using simple formula for fixed amount per resource would not do the
job. It would just annoy the largest but you are not going to get any IP
addresses back. Therefore this argument is irrelevant.

I personally prefer RIPE NCC to be paid for administrative work and support
for the community. And because in near future there are going to be no IPv4
addresses to hand out and no IPv4 requests to evaluate I think that a
reasonable way would be to have either flat fee or to have few tiers of
LIRs. In that case I would base a scoring mechanism on metric of workload
generated to RIPE NCC measured either by man-hours spent supporting that
LIR last year or on number of allocated resource object regardless of their
size or on number of changes in allocated resources last year.

It can easily happen that small LIR which has messy addressing plan and
sends incomplete or nonsensical requests to RIPE NCC would have to pay more
than a multinational ISP. But it is fair: When they consume more services
they should pay more as well.

Tomas


On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:33 PM, LeaderTelecom Ltd.
<info at leadertelecom.ru>wrote:

>
> Who and why will waste money? Big companies use more IPs and will pay
> more. This is very logical. They can reduce payments through optimisation
> infrastructure, moving to IPv6, etc.
> Small palyers will pay low. Medium will pay the same money.
>
> Why you think that it will be huge disadvantage for European IT industry?
>
> Could you tell not general words, but numbers?
>
> The same I can say the same words about current charging scheme, while
> small LIRs pay too much.
>
>  > Please do not try to transform RIPE NCC to a government-like entity
> equipped with rights to tax and
> > regulate our lives.
>
> The regulation in genereal the same - Dutch law. In case if RIPE will
> transfrom to Corporate body - it will pay small corporate tax. In general
> nothing bad will happend. Could you write what do you afraid?
>
>  --
> Alexey Ivanov
> LeaderTelecom
>



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