[members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees

On Tue, 13 Dec 2011, LIR wrote:

> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:28:47 +0100
> From: LIR <lir at lanto.it>
> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees
> 
> Il 13/12/2011 20:32, Micha? Margula ha scritto:
>> W dniu 13.12.2011 20:23, LIR pisze:
>>> I am new to RIPE and list, and I did not see any conversation of that kind.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I find this way of calculating is not fair at all, despite of used.
>>>
>>> This model does not compute real usage of resources, but penalizes new
>>> entries and gives resources for free to old members.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tonino
>>>
>> I can't agree. W got our first resources about 5 years ago. First year
>> we were "EXTRA SMALL", and then every year we are categorized "SMALL",
>> altough we requested some more resources.
>>
>> And does 500 euro per year really makes any difference? Really?? Let's
>> count IPv4 - you got /21 which is 1024 addresess which makes 50 cents
>> (per year! about 4 cents a month!!) difference.
>>
>> And about fairness of that calculation - the later you get resources the
>> more are they valuable, and they really are!
>
> First, when IP were rarely used, a lot of companies got huge assignments 
> because the ocean was so huge.
> Now that ocean has becomed smaller, who is wasting water must pay for 
> what he consumes.
>
> Second, It is not acceptable that a company using 16 /21 IPv4 blocks is 
> charged as one which uses 1 /21 block, just because the latter started 
> later his business.
>
> This can remind a 'trust' protecting old players against new players.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tonino
>

A large ISP does not neccesarily demand more work from the RIPE NCC then a 
starting one, usually they (small ones) need more guidance in the 
beginning. Also large ISP:s may have larger (amounts of) customers then a 
small isp. We are paying for RIPE NCC membership 
services, not solely for IP:s (imho)

Its the same case with the oil prices, oil is runnig out and will become 
more expensive, also situations is different countries (political, natural 
disasters) affect the oil price. Do you have the same complaint when you 
fill up your car at the gasstation when the price has gone up?

Rgds,

Raymond













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