Re: [lir-wg] IPv6 assignments to RIPE itself
- Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:41:13 +0100
>> Alexander Gall has summarized it pretty well - if we want to give out
>> /48s freely, then the quite conservative RIR->LIR allocation policy
>> currently in place *hurts*.
>
>Very true if you mean that you cannot build a reasonable hierarchy.
Actually, this is the thing that makes the use of the /42 block out of
SURFnet's sTLA to RIPE (Meeting et.al.), The NCC and the employees
interesting: I do see it as people actually trying to _live_ and
document that hierarchy - LIR => RIPE NCC (status: ALLOCATED-BY-LIR) =>
various assignments by the RIPE NCC.
>> As for the argument "are universities ISPs"? Yes, at least over here,
>> a fair number of them are providing IP connectivity to the student's
>> hostels via leased line/ethernet, and to all other students via ISDN/Modem
>> dialup. So for all address management purposes, they are ISPs.
>
>This is true in the Netherlands too.
Same here. We even operate our own ADSL gear on-site for connecting
hostels, students, etc.
>Yes, I think those should be treated
>as ISPs, probably getting a prefix (>> /48) from their NRN.
That's something we are trying to get a feeling for at the moment.
My approach for _now_ is to treat a University's (extended) LAN as one
site (i.e. lives within 1 /48), and the hostels and remote customers'
(students and faculty) networks as a site (/48 typically or /64 in
special circumstances) each.
As regards the address distribution procedures I still maintain that
there is no technical or logical difference between a university's
"customer" which happens to be staff or student as compared to a
"regular" customer serviced by a "commercial" ISP.
Also, the technology used to ship IPv6 packets should be irrelevant for
this discussion, i.e. a native link or an IPv6 in IPv4 tunnel to such a
network doesn't make a difference.
> rvdp
Btw, regarding the discussion of what a "site" is - my current
interpretation here is that a "site" is the entity I am talking to
with regard to network planning and address space management. And if
that entity most probably uses more than a singel subnet, then I usually
stick to the /48 recommendation.
Wilfried.
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