Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting
- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:30:14 +0200 (EET)
On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Sergey A. Mukhin wrote:
> On the other hand there is a tendency to a fast growing number
> of LIRs in the fSU countries and it might make sense for RIPE
> itself to establish its office or RIR for those who agree
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Office" -- no problem, but not "RIR"! How can RIPE
establish a RIR without an agreement in the community
of the region served? RIR creation should be
initiated by the representative community, not RIPE,
or am I missing something?
> to be served there to get load off the main office. ( Not a
> business of mine, I agree. ) Consider the size of fSU region.
fSU is not a region. Please use non-political
but geographical terms for defining region borders.
> A> Who else rises the hand? Mr. Alexey Platonov (Moscow,
> A> RosNIIROS), and Mr. Anatoly Kramer (Moscow, ??? -- who
> A> doesn't even aware of what e-mail is, AFAIK) -- two men,
> A> two Russian semi-governmental organisations, each wants
> A> to establish a "big registry" in Moscow, and to extend the scope
> A> of this RIR to adjucent countries, taking away any choice
> A> of where to be served from those countries.
>
> Well, and who was 'contra' except Ukraine?
Ok, but who was present but Russia and Ukraine?
Russia was "pro", Ukraine was "contra".
1:1
> awaiting for votes "contra". There were no more "contra" yet.
ripe-167 is way too unclear for everyone to get its
main ideas in a moment.
> >> Any people decide most ( or all ) of their own problems theirselves.
>
> A> This statement of yours contradicts directly with the
> A> approach of ripe-167 document.
>
> I am afraid you mistreat the approach.
I'm afraid that ripe-167 is just very unclear and uncertain
at this point.
> >> But sometimes it is better to unite to get the solutions easier.
>
> A> Would you mind explaining the benefits of uniting with you, please.
> A> (Let's note that this last statement of yours has nothing close
> A> to ripe-167's content at all). No offense: friendship and
> A> union are different things, aren't they?
>
> I meant benefits of uniting .(point)
There are some benefits and some losses...
> If you suppose uniting of
> everybody but us, that sounds a bit odd, does not it?
I don't like the idea of *any* union with *anyone* until
it will be though out carefully in all the details
and everything will be obvious, certain and clear.
> A> Pretty simple: some people here in Ukraine (me among them)
> A> have a strong feeling that some Moscow guys want to "unite"
> A> us with them without taking our opinion into attentions.
>
> I am afraid I would never understand such a point of view. We declare
> free choice for all.
Would you mind pointing me at the written document where
one can get a clear and certain statement of this?
> I meant just the following effect of the Soviet Union: 6 years are
> not enough for a new generation who knows English rather than
> Russia; not enough to get old communications completely changed.
Please leave alone this old crap about English/Russian
language. If you are a LIR (and RIR serves LIRs) you
ought to know English, point. If you don't know
English, you are the customer of a LIR where staff
is more knowlegeable.
Agreed?
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Best regards,
Andrew Stesin
nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE
