Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting
- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:29:08 +0200 (EET)
Hello all,
On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Igor Romanenko wrote:
[...]
> 1. The process of creating the new RIR should be suspended since it's not
> obvious what will be created and why.
> 2. Another document should be issued with much more solid motivation
> (if you have it) and the document should clearly state how the intended
> process of transition would work, what region will be served, etc.
> 3. The new document should be discussed then.
That's exactly what I was proposing. Thanks to you Igor for
better formal explanation.
> If all you've said during this discussion w.r.t. your intentions holds true,
> then you should clearly see this approach as advantegeous.
Yes, this approach *is* advantageous! I beleive that
the very best intentions were the only background of ripe-167;
but this fact remained unclear and unexplained in details.
The latter approach will allow to make everything clear, explained
and obvious -- thus better probability of painless adoption
of the proposal by the community.
[...]
> The discussion surely _will_ continue to infinity if you do not have
> well-motivated, well-argumented proposals with clearly stated purpose
> and with support from the majority of LIRs situated in every country/territory
> you want to serve. If you cannot get support - do not include the territory.
> If your motivation is not accepted by the community you want to serve -
> you have wrong motivation.
Yes, that's it. It would be nice to hear comments on
this last paragraph of Igor's notes from other readers
of the list -- I think either Igor's approach is correct here,
or I have a fundamentally wrong understanding of the decision
process in RIPE. Thanks in advanse.
> Would you like to start _practical_ work
> without clear understanding of the tasks you want to carry out,
> without clear understanding of whom do you serve and what are advantages
> of being served by you? If so, then the professional level of the new
> RIR (or RIPE NCC Office in Moscow for that matter) would seem to be... low.
[... a question to Alexei Platonov: ...]
> So, in a nutshell, you want to say the following:
> "I am serving some 50 LIRs now for free. I want to get money for my service.
> Currently my service is bad but as you pay me money, it will become
> more appropriate. Take my word for it. Now, since I want to establish
> the RIR, I need to indicate the region. I'm serving several LIRs from abroad
> Russia, so let the region be FSU. And no, I do not have good arguments for
> why the RIR should be created except we need money badly to increase the
> level of service. But see guys - I'm honest! Take my vows for it!"
>
> Right?
It looks like this is pretty close to truth... comments?
Best regards,
Andrew Stesin
nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE
