Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting
- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:34:32 +0300 (MSK/MSD)
- Address: 1 Kurchatov square, 123182 Moscow, Russia
- Fax: +7 (095) 1964984
- Organization: Russian Institute for Public Networks (RosNIIROS)
- Phone: +7 (095) 1967278
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Hi,
Sorry, but I decided not to answer questions, but to outline my
position once more.
From the discussion that is going on in lir-wg anyone can learn that
RosNIIROS (RIPN) invented some reasons for estabishing RIR and is trying
by that means to put Internet in FSU under the control of "Moscow Hand".
OK, you may think so. But I'd like to mention that I'm not a politic
and I'm not interested to control anybody. The question is quite
practical: several years ago several LIRs asked me to support these
services as far as it was convenient for them to work with RosNIIROS.
I think it's not very interesting to discuss "why?" - it's just a fact.
Now this group contains about 40 LIRs. Of course, you can suspect that
all of them are my friends, and I asked them to do it. But I hope
that this will not be seriously discussed :-)
We all (including FSU) live now in market economics and we know very well
that if there is a demand for some kind of service, this service is to be
given. Now I just think how to give _good_ service and the way: RIPE NCC office
-> RIR seems me a good variant. Even more - it seems to me that this is
the only way for a large number of LIRs working on this territory to get
the service _they want_.
Of course, I'm not so crasy to think that _all_ LIRs here want the same.
For some of them it'll be better to be served by RIPE NCC at least because
of some difference between Amsterdam and Moscow :-)
(by the way, Amsterdam is my favourite city ... after Moscow :-) )
And some words about the proposed transition.
I hope that the first stage is quite clear for everybody. This is the
establishment of RIPE NCC office in Moscow and the improvement of
service that _is already delivered_, under the guidance of RIPE NCC.
I think it will take 4-5 months. The service is provided on alternative
basis - anyone can choose the point of service (Moscow or Amsterdam).
Moscow office will provide service on the base of two languages - English
and Russian, and you may choose what you want.
Second stage is much more complicated, and principles of transition
to RIR are not clear yet. Just one example that is discussed actively:
this new RIR serves the territory or LIRs? I think the second variant
is democratic (and I like it) - any LIR can choose by what RIR is to
be served. But this contradicts existing principles providing stable
service. There are a lot of other questions and I hope that the newly
established working group open to all interested LIRs will try to
answer some of these questions.
Let's resume:
1) There are some LIRs in Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus (about 40-45)
that want to work within proposed scheme. The increase is 4-5 per month.
2) The 2-stage scheme is soft and doesn't contradict existing principles.
3) The "FSU-NIC" project is under the full control of RIPE NCC and IANA.
4) The project can be cancelled at any moment.
What about to try ?
Regards,
Alexei Platonov
