From malcolm at linx.net Sun May 4 21:40:09 2008 From: malcolm at linx.net (Malcolm Hutty) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 20:40:09 +0100 Subject: [ec-tf] Document for tomorrow's Taskforce meeting Message-ID: <481E1119.5090609@linx.net> Please find attached an initial draft to aid our discussions. -- Malcolm Hutty | tel: +44 20 7645 3523 Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet Exchange | http://publicaffairs.linx.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RIPE EC-TF Report draft 7a.doc Type: application/msword Size: 103936 bytes Desc: not available URL: From patrik at frobbit.se Thu May 8 11:12:29 2008 From: patrik at frobbit.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?=) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:12:29 +0200 Subject: [ec-tf] I suggest creation of a "collaboration wg" already now on Friday! Message-ID: Dear Task Force members, contact persons and chair of RIPE! Unfortunately I had to leave the meeting early Monday due to a lunch commitment. I am happy I saw consensus that we should create a working group, but I did not see (when I left) that we had consensus on whether the wg should be created this week (i.e. tomorrow) or at RIPE-57 (or later). I personally very much is in favor of creating this wg earlier rather than later, and I see a number of reasons for that. One of them being that RIPE NCC the next couple of months most certainly will be asked to make statements on behalf of the RIPE community in a number of questions due to upcoming OECD and IGF meetings. As you might remember this was one of the three main reasons I thought personally this wg should exist. The other two being keeping the document Malcolm has so well created updated, and creating a space for discussions between governments and RIPE community. To start with by having more presentations similar to the one Detlef had during the EOF related to IPv6. As I have not seen any discussion on this list since the meeting, I am bravely throwing out a proposal. And the proposal is to ask for the wg to be created on Friday. So that we do get the mailing list, archive, help from RIPE NCC staff with administrative procedure, and in time (well in advance) ability to work hard to get the wg meeting at RIPE-57 a success. You can see I have proposed Martin and Maria, both hopefully well known to our community, as proposed wg chairs. But let me emphasize that that is only a proposal from my personal point of view, and discussions around that choice should of course, as always, be separated from the question on whether the wg should be created. As I do not know whether Maria and Martin is on the task force mailing list, I am also cc:ing them explicitly. Regards, Patrik Collaboration Working Group Suggested chairs: Maria H?ll, Swedish Government Martin Boyle, Nominet UK The RIPE community decision-making processes are open to anyone, meaning that anyone with an interest can suggest policy, take part in reviewing documents and participate on mailing lists and at RIPE Meetings. To encourage participation from people and organisations outside the traditional RIPE community, a number of special outreach programs have been developed, including a series of "Governmental Roundtable Meetings", at which RIPE community members and government representatives can meet and discuss common areas of interest. Government representatives participate in RIPE Meetings, and the RIPE NCC actively reaches out to governments and others in the public sector to inform them on issues related to the RIPE community and engage them on issues related to RIPE and RIPE NCC activities. The Collaboration Working Group is a forum for discussion focusing on collaboration between the private and public sectors on Internet matters. This kind of collaboration has taken on increased prominence in recent years, as the wider Internet community strives to ensure that all voices are heard and the interests of all parties are considered. Fostering more open dialogue between all stakeholders is vital to ensuring the continued stability of the Internet. The working group discusses the following: 1. Topics raised by working group participants that are of interest to both the public and private sectors 2. The RIPE NCC's current outreach activities will be reported, and the RIPE NCC will seek advice and guidance on future activities. 3. The working group will develop and clarify the RIPE community's position on issues that are of relevance to the public sector or on which a community position has been sought 4. The working group will be responsible for maintenance of the RIPE Document produced by the Enhanced Cooperation Task Force, describing the RIPE community, existing policy development processes and outreach programs The working group is also an important channel through which the RIPE community can communicate with others in the "Information Society". From dogwallah at gmail.com Thu May 8 12:07:53 2008 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:07:53 +0300 Subject: [ec-tf] I suggest creation of a "collaboration wg" already now on Friday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Patrik, On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Patrik F?ltstr?m wrote: > Dear Task Force members, contact persons and chair of RIPE! > > Unfortunately I had to leave the meeting early Monday due to a lunch > commitment. I am happy I saw consensus that we should create a working > group, but I did not see (when I left) that we had consensus on whether the > wg should be created this week (i.e. tomorrow) or at RIPE-57 (or later). > > I personally very much is in favor of creating this wg earlier rather than > later, I support this early implementation.. -- Cheers, McTim $ whois -h whois.afrinic.net mctim From malcolm at linx.net Thu May 8 14:29:02 2008 From: malcolm at linx.net (Malcolm Hutty) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 13:29:02 +0100 Subject: [ec-tf] Re: I suggest creation of a "collaboration wg" already now on Friday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4822F20E.5000305@linx.net> Patrik F?ltstr?m wrote: > Dear Task Force members, contact persons and chair of RIPE! > > Unfortunately I had to leave the meeting early Monday due to a lunch > commitment. I am happy I saw consensus that we should create a working > group, but I did not see (when I left) that we had consensus on whether > the wg should be created this week (i.e. tomorrow) or at RIPE-57 (or > later). Let me report informally here broadly the consensus position reached at the Taskforce meeting, as I saw it. I'll list them as separate points. 1. Some mechanism is needed to allow a forum for review of these matters, and to maintain the report of this Taskforce as a living document. (strong consensus) 2. We should therefore form a Working Group (fairly strong consensus) 3. It should not be called the "Enhanced Cooperation Working Group", nor should the Charter explicitly rely on that term, as this comes with a set of baggage that is open to misunderstanding. Instead, we should come up with a new title and not adopt the charter in the current draft of the report. 4. We should not formally create a WG until we have agreed a title and a charter. 5. We need a little time to discuss and agree on what the Charter and title should be. While there is a lot of support for doing this quickly, and there was strong support for having the WG up and running at RIPE57, the consensus was that this couldn't be completed this week. As well as this, I personally believe both the impact of the Taskforce's report and the value and legitimacy of a WG will enhanced in the eyes of outside stakeholders if we are able to say in simple terms "RIPE accepted the Taskforce's report and followed its recommendation to establish a WG". This is another reason to want the formal start of a WG to coincide with the completion and dissolution of the Taskforce. However, that doesn't mean we should hold back from preparation in advance. I am therefore planning to propose to the plenary i) to acknowledge that in principle a WG should be created in this area, and to expect a formal proposal to be circulated in advance of RIPE57 for approval at the very start the meeting ii) that time for a WG meeting be scheduled at RIPE57 in anticipation Regards, Malcolm. Chair, Enhanced Cooperation Taskforce. From malcolm at linx.net Fri May 9 11:08:32 2008 From: malcolm at linx.net (Malcolm Hutty) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 10:08:32 +0100 Subject: [ec-tf] Re: [Fwd: ec-tf meeting minutes] In-Reply-To: <482328FC.70403@linx.net> References: <482328FC.70403@linx.net> Message-ID: <48241490.3000400@linx.net> The following is the draft formal minute of the the Taskforce meeting on Monday. Many thanks to our scribe, Chris Buckridge, for keeping such thorough meeting notes. If anyone has any corrections please let me know within 7 days. Malcolm. Enhanced Cooperation Task Force minutes 5 May 2008 Palace Hotel, Berlin The Chair, Malcolm Hutty, called the meeting to order. He emphasised that this is a small group dedicated to a defined task, and noted that he has circulated an agenda and a draft of the Enhanced Cooperation-task force report. He outlined the meeting agenda, to which there were no additions. The Chair discussed the background to the task force and the term Enhanced Cooperation. The task force was formed to demonstrate to the world the position of the RIPE community and its contribution to Enhanced Cooperation. The task force is not designed to "do" Enhanced Cooperation ? this is done by the RIPE NCC and is already ongoing. The task force's report will comment on what is good about the current activities, and suggest what might be done in the future. This will then be reported to, and hopefully adopted by the RIPE community. This document would be a very valuable and powerful tool in establishing the RIPE community's position. During the task force work there have arisen two competing views on the way forward ? one favours a small group to produce a report quickly; the other sees the document as representing a wider group, and that it should, therefore, have input from a wider group. The Chair's role has been to combine these points of view, and this has involved forming a sub-group of more expert members of the task force as a Drafting Group. The members of the Drafting Group were read into the record. The task force assented to these organisational matters. The Chair moved onto the matter of the document. A draft of the report has been circulated to the whole task force. The report's goal is to put the RIPE community and the RIPE NCC into a context that illustrates the reasons for the existing systems of administration and governance. The strategy involves outlining the needs of the Internet community (specifically IP address uniqueness and address planning coordination) and the ways in which bottom-up processes, and the administrative structures which facilitate them, meet this need. Opportunities for evolution of processes and activities to meet new requirements from the various stakeholders are then reviewed in this context. The Chair again noted that the role of the task force is not to micromanage the Enhanced Cooperation activities of the RIPE NCC. Jim Reid noted that the draft paper is an excellent statement of what we do and the community consensus on the basis for bottom-up governance, but that the concept of Enhanced Cooperation needs further elaboration, and we need to consider the way forward. He suggested that it may be time to start engaging with other stakeholders and see what they think of Enhanced Cooperation and what forums would best suit them. The roundtables for certain governments are working well, but not all governments attend, and that kind of forum may not be culturally compatible with all governments in the region. It would be good to reach out to the non-participating governments and bodies and see what sort of forums would work for them. Patrik F?ltstr?m noted three areas of Enhanced Cooperation. The first, which the document does well, outlines the existing Enhanced Cooperation processes etc. The second is a discussion in the RIPE community on how Enhanced Cooperation processes can be improved, and this may be a separate discussion item (including issues such as how do we bring more people in, what is being done now). The third is that some individuals on the public sector side would like to interact more with the technical community, and possibly we need a forum to have discussions with people outside the traditional RIPE community. Nurani Nimpuno noted that while it's important to agree on the process, it is also important to have a clear path forward ? how do we want to interact with governments, regulators etc.? Paul Wilson, as Chair of the NRO, noted that the NRO produced a report under the banner of Enhanced Cooperation, but called it Continuing Cooperation; this was in response to the call for such a document in 2005. The NRO received a message from the UN earlier in the year inviting the NRO to provide an annual performance report ? the NRO provided a reply that included a letter and copies of the existing report, as that outlined the longstanding cooperative activities of the RIRs. There is a desire not to have the terms of debate dictated to us by other parties, and Paul noted that by using the term Enhanced Cooperation we are playing along with a term not defined by the RIRs. The Chair thanked Paul for outlining the letter from the UN, and noted that the document produced by the task force would hopefully provide the UN (and similar bodies) with some more clarity on the position of the NRO, and especially the RIPE community. The Chair moved onto the subject of next steps, and noted that the report being produced should make some suggestions of next steps, and this will possibly include proposing the creation of a working group. He asked whether there should be a detailed analysis of existing/ potential activities as part of the task force, or if this would be better considered by a working group. Nigel Titley suggested that the task force should provide a broader analysis, and that anything more detailed be tasked to a working group. Jim Reid agreed that the task force activity should be completed as soon as possible, and a working group be formed, but not with the expectation that the working group would be where public sector stakeholders would participate. Remco van Mook agreed that completing the task force task quickly was important, and that we need to clarify where authority lies for other stakeholders ? if there is a working group, can a government make arrangements with anyone from that working group? Who would they contact? Where does authority lie - with RIPE or with the NCC? Malcolm noted that ultimately authority lies with the community, but that authority is delegated to the RIPE NCC, and using the document being produced by the task force to make this explicit in the task force will assist governments. The Chair noted his own doubts about the potential for the working group to serve as an outreach tool. The role of the working group would instead be to define the strategic approach. Nigel Titley agreed. The Chair suggested that there seems to be agreement that the document requires further development in the section on Enhanced Cooperation activities. He noted though that the statements about future activities should be kept broad and strategic. Carsten Schiefner asked how this document will be kept up-to-date. Paul Rendek noted that a RIPE Document could be produced from the task force report; a working group could suggest any updates to the document, which could then be made by the RIPE NCC. Malcolm noted that the Anti-Spam working group has a similar arrangement. Jim Reid raised the need for a charter for such a working group. Malcolm noted that there is a draft at the end of the existing document, a very broad statement that incorporates a lot of the terminology of the UN. Nurani Nimpuno noted that while it is important to look at improving our existing processes, there is a danger in not sufficiently acknowledging the success of these processes to date. Setting up such a working group may undercut the argument that we already have sufficient Enhanced Cooperation activities and structures. She feels there are processes in place, and the document is a good way of communicating this to the world, but we don't need a process that responds specifically to the WSIS demand for Enhanced Cooperation, and this was the point of the NRO response to the UN. She argued that should a working group be formed, it should not be Enhanced Cooperation-specific. Lars-Johan Liman noted that there is a need for something, perhaps not a working group, but a new interface that reaches out toward governments etc. ? there are existing channels, but they may not be formal enough. Malcolm noted, however, that there seems to be consensus that the working group would not be the channel to governments, but would rather be a community forum to discuss RIPE community involvement in Enhanced Cooperation. Patrik F?ltstr?m strongly supported discarding the term Enhanced Cooperation ? he noted that this term is usually used only between governments (at least by governments). He also suggested adding the maintenance of the document as a task for the working group, and he believes the task force should move ahead with proposing the formation of a working group, and he is somewhat optimistic that perhaps a working group would be a suitable place for governments to give presentations ? having such a specific forum in the RIPE Meeting may make it easier for people in the public sector to get approval to attend the RIPE Meeting. Remco van Mook suggested "Structured Cooperation" as a title for the working group. Lars-Johan Liman noted that the working group may not be very busy, but it would be a good forum to have available, even if it lay dormant for some of the time. He also noted that being able to point to the existence of such a forum would be politically useful. Marton Hajdu from the European Commission noted that it is sometimes difficult for people from government to attend, and agreed a different name for the working group would be preferable. The Chair noted that there is a consensus that the term Enhanced Cooperation should not be used in the title or charter of the working group. Paul Rendek noted that the RIPE NCC is already receiving a lot of questions regarding RIPE position on various issues related to public/ private sector relations, and agreed that the NCC does not generally use the term Enhanced Cooperation where possible. He noted that the task force needs to be inclusive of all kinds of cooperation with other stakeholders. He also noted the need for some kind of channel with the community to discuss these issues, and he noted that the RIPE NCC is ready and willing to support such a working group. The Chair noted that there is support from the task force for the document to continue to be developed. He will report that we are on track, with a clearer understanding of where we are going, but that we are not ready to present the final document yet. This will be ready in advance of the next RIPE Meeting, and will be presented in October to the plenary. Jim Reid suggested that there also need to be deadlines and charter discussions regarding the working group. Remco van Mook suggested that the charter be prepared and presented by the end of this week, and the working group be formed by the next meeting. Malcolm Hutty noted (as an individual) that he feels it is dangerous to form a working group without an idea of the charter. He feels that there would need to be a further meeting of the task force to solidify the charter before the end of the week if it is to be presented at RIPE 56. Carsten Shiefner also feels that forming a working group before the document is finalised would be premature. Nurani Nimpuno noted that it is important that in forming a group to promote our cooperation the task force be very open and transparent ? this could mean sharing drafts of the document with the community before final endorsement. Jim Reid suggested reporting that the document that is in the final stages of preparation, and that the task force feels a working group will be needed, but that the charter is still being discussed. Feedback from the community on this would be welcome, and then the charter of the working group will be fully formed by RIPE 57, and the task force wrapped up. Jim Reid suggested that the plan be to wrap up the task force by RIPE 57, and establish a working group at RIPE 57 once a charter and remit of activities are established. The Chair then summarised that the consensus appeared to be to report that the task force believed that a working group should be created at RIPE 57 rather than at RIPE 56, but we should be ready to create a working group at RIPE 57 and be prepared for a working group meeting at that time. He noted that the task force needs to do the necessary intersessional work promptly to achieve this goal. The meeting assented to this summary. Remco van Mook noted that it is important to move quickly ? as long as there is a working group in place by the next meeting, he is happy to take due consideration. There was an action item noted for the NCC to attach the draft to the task force web page. Paul Rendek also noted that the NCC could put the document into Draft RIPE Document form if this was requested, or there could be mailing lists set up. Malcolm undertook to liaise with the NCC on format and process; the existing mailing list is sufficient for the task force itself, but he would consult the NCC on publishing the task force's proposals to the wider community. The Chair asked for any other business; there being no further comments he thanked all participants for their contribution and the NCC for its support, and the session was closed. From patrik at frobbit.se Fri May 9 11:23:48 2008 From: patrik at frobbit.se (=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?=) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:23:48 +0200 Subject: [ec-tf] Re: [Fwd: ec-tf meeting minutes] In-Reply-To: <48241490.3000400@linx.net> References: <482328FC.70403@linx.net> <48241490.3000400@linx.net> Message-ID: <0C1FC004-30F1-4A5D-85D4-5B3C72B66E6C@frobbit.se> These minutes are ok for as long as I was present at the meeting (12:35 or so). Patrik On 9 maj 2008, at 11.08, Malcolm Hutty wrote: > The following is the draft formal minute of the the Taskforce > meeting on > Monday. Many thanks to our scribe, Chris Buckridge, for keeping such > thorough meeting notes. > > If anyone has any corrections please let me know within 7 days. > > Malcolm. > > > Enhanced Cooperation Task Force minutes > 5 May 2008 > Palace Hotel, Berlin > > The Chair, Malcolm Hutty, called the meeting to order. He emphasised > that this is a small group dedicated to a defined task, and noted > that he has circulated an agenda and a draft of the Enhanced > Cooperation-task force report. He outlined the meeting agenda, to > which there were no additions. > > The Chair discussed the background to the task force and the term > Enhanced Cooperation. The task force was formed to demonstrate to the > world the position of the RIPE community and its contribution to > Enhanced Cooperation. The task force is not designed to "do" Enhanced > Cooperation ? this is done by the RIPE NCC and is already ongoing. The > task force's report will comment on what is good about the current > activities, and suggest what might be done in the future. This will > then be reported to, and hopefully adopted by the RIPE community. This > document would be a very valuable and powerful tool in establishing > the RIPE community's position. > > During the task force work there have arisen two competing views on > the way forward ? one favours a small group to produce a report > quickly; the other sees the document as representing a wider group, > and that it should, therefore, have input from a wider group. The > Chair's role has been to combine these points of view, and this has > involved forming a sub-group of more expert members of the task force > as a Drafting Group. The members of the Drafting Group were read into > the record. > > The task force assented to these organisational matters. > > The Chair moved onto the matter of the document. A draft of the > report has been circulated to the whole task force. > > The report's goal is to put the RIPE community and the RIPE NCC into > a context that illustrates the reasons for the existing systems of > administration and governance. The strategy involves outlining the > needs of the Internet community (specifically IP address uniqueness > and address planning coordination) and the ways in which bottom-up > processes, and the administrative structures which facilitate them, > meet this need. Opportunities for evolution of processes and > activities to meet new requirements from the various stakeholders > are then > reviewed in this context. The Chair again noted that the role of the > task force > is not to micromanage the Enhanced Cooperation activities of the > RIPE NCC. > > Jim Reid noted that the draft paper is an excellent statement of what > we do and the community consensus on the basis for bottom-up > governance, > but that the concept of Enhanced Cooperation needs further > elaboration, and we need to consider the way forward. He suggested > that it may be time to start engaging with other stakeholders and see > what they think of Enhanced Cooperation and what forums would best > suit them. The roundtables for certain governments are working well, > but not all governments attend, and that kind of forum may not be > culturally compatible with all governments in the region. It would be > good to reach out to the non-participating governments and bodies and > see what sort of forums would work for them. > > Patrik F?ltstr?m noted three areas of Enhanced Cooperation. The > first, which the document does well, outlines the existing Enhanced > Cooperation processes etc. The second is a discussion in the RIPE > community on how Enhanced Cooperation processes can be improved, and > this may be a separate discussion item (including issues such as how > do we bring more people in, what is being done now). The third is > that some individuals on the public sector side would like to > interact more with the technical community, and possibly we need a > forum to have discussions with people outside the traditional RIPE > community. > > Nurani Nimpuno noted that while it's important to agree on the > process, it is also important to have a clear path forward ? how do > we want to interact with governments, regulators etc.? > > Paul Wilson, as Chair of the NRO, noted that the NRO produced a > report under the banner of Enhanced Cooperation, but called it > Continuing Cooperation; this was in response to the call for such a > document in 2005. The NRO received a message from the UN earlier in > the year inviting the NRO to provide an annual performance report ? > the NRO provided a reply that included a letter and copies of the > existing report, as that outlined the longstanding cooperative > activities of the RIRs. There is a desire not to have the terms of > debate dictated to us by other parties, and Paul noted that by using > the term Enhanced Cooperation we are playing along with a term not > defined by the RIRs. > > The Chair thanked Paul for outlining the letter from the UN, and > noted that the document produced by the task force would hopefully > provide the UN (and similar bodies) with some more clarity on the > position of the NRO, and especially the RIPE community. > > The Chair moved onto the subject of next steps, and noted that the > report being produced should make some suggestions of next steps, > and this > will possibly include proposing the creation of a working group. He > asked whether there should be a detailed analysis of existing/ > potential activities as part of the task force, or if this would be > better considered by a working group. > > Nigel Titley suggested that the task force should provide a broader > analysis, and that anything more detailed be tasked to a working > group. Jim Reid agreed that the task force activity should be > completed as soon as possible, and a working group be formed, but not > with the expectation that the working group would be where public > sector stakeholders would participate. > > Remco van Mook agreed that completing the task force task quickly was > important, and that we need to clarify where authority lies for other > stakeholders ? if there is a working group, can a government make > arrangements with anyone from that working group? Who would they > contact? Where does authority lie - with RIPE or with the NCC? Malcolm > noted that ultimately authority lies with the community, but that > authority is delegated to the RIPE NCC, and using the document being > produced by the task force to make this explicit in the task force > will assist governments. > > The Chair noted his own doubts about the potential for the working > group to serve as an outreach tool. The role of the working group > would instead be to define the strategic approach. Nigel Titley > agreed. > > The Chair suggested that there seems to be agreement that the > document requires further development in the section on Enhanced > Cooperation activities. He noted though that the statements about > future activities should be kept broad and strategic. > > Carsten Schiefner asked how this document will be kept up-to-date. > Paul Rendek noted that a RIPE Document could be produced from the > task force report; a working group could suggest any updates to the > document, which could then be made by the RIPE NCC. Malcolm noted > that the Anti-Spam working group has a similar arrangement. > > Jim Reid raised the need for a charter for such a working group. > Malcolm noted that there is a draft at the end of the existing > document, a very broad statement that incorporates a lot of the > terminology of the UN. > > Nurani Nimpuno noted that while it is important to look at improving > our existing processes, there is a danger in not sufficiently > acknowledging the success of these processes to date. Setting up such > a working group may undercut the argument that we already have > sufficient Enhanced Cooperation activities and structures. She feels > there are processes in place, and the document is a good way of > communicating this to the world, but we don't need a process that > responds specifically to the WSIS demand for Enhanced Cooperation, > and this was the point of the NRO response to the UN. She argued that > should a working group be formed, it should not be Enhanced > Cooperation-specific. > > Lars-Johan Liman noted that there is a need for something, perhaps > not a working group, but a new interface that reaches out toward > governments etc. ? there are existing channels, but they may not be > formal enough. Malcolm noted, however, that there seems to be > consensus that the working group would not be the channel to > governments, but would rather be a community forum to discuss RIPE > community involvement in Enhanced Cooperation. > > Patrik F?ltstr?m strongly supported discarding the term Enhanced > Cooperation ? he noted that this term is usually used only between > governments (at least by governments). He also suggested adding the > maintenance of the document as a task for the working group, and he > believes the task force should move ahead with proposing the > formation of a working group, and he is somewhat optimistic that > perhaps a working group would be a suitable place for governments to > give presentations ? having such a specific forum in the RIPE Meeting > may make it easier for people in the public sector to get approval to > attend the RIPE Meeting. > > Remco van Mook suggested "Structured Cooperation" as a title for the > working group. > > Lars-Johan Liman noted that the working group may not be very busy, > but it would be a good forum to have available, even if it lay > dormant for > some of the time. He also noted that being able to point to the > existence of such a forum would be politically useful. > > Marton Hajdu from the European Commission noted that it is sometimes > difficult for people from government to attend, and agreed a > different name for the working group would be preferable. > > The Chair noted that there is a consensus that the term Enhanced > Cooperation should not be used in the title or charter of the > working group. > > Paul Rendek noted that the RIPE NCC is already receiving a lot of > questions regarding RIPE position on various issues related to public/ > private sector relations, and agreed that the NCC does not generally > use the term Enhanced Cooperation where possible. He noted that the > task force needs to be inclusive of all kinds of cooperation with > other stakeholders. He also noted the need for some kind of channel > with the community to discuss these issues, and he noted that the > RIPE NCC is ready and willing to support such a working group. > > The Chair noted that there is support from the task force for the > document to continue to be developed. He will report that we are on > track, with a clearer understanding of where we are going, but that > we are not ready to present the final document yet. This will be > ready in advance of the next RIPE Meeting, and will be presented in > October to the plenary. > > Jim Reid suggested that there also need to be deadlines and charter > discussions regarding the working group. Remco van Mook suggested > that the charter be prepared and presented by the end of this week, > and the working group be formed by the next meeting. > > Malcolm Hutty noted (as an individual) that he feels it is > dangerous to form a working group without an idea of the charter. He > feels that there would need to be a further meeting of the task > force to > solidify the charter before the end of the week if it is to be > presented at RIPE 56. Carsten Shiefner also feels that forming a > working group before the document is finalised would be premature. > Nurani Nimpuno noted that it is important that in forming a group to > promote our cooperation the task force be very open and transparent ? > this could mean sharing drafts of the document with the community > before final endorsement. Jim Reid suggested reporting that the > document that is in the final stages of preparation, and that the > task force feels a working group will be needed, but that the charter > is still being discussed. Feedback from the community on this would > be welcome, and then the charter of the working group will be fully > formed by RIPE 57, and the task force wrapped up. > > Jim Reid suggested that the plan be to wrap up the task force by RIPE > 57, and establish a working group at RIPE 57 once a charter and remit > of activities are established. > > The Chair then summarised that the consensus appeared to be to report > that the task force believed that a working group should be created at > RIPE 57 rather than at RIPE 56, but we should be ready to create a > working group at RIPE 57 and be prepared for a working group meeting > at that > time. He noted that the task force needs to do the necessary > intersessional work promptly to achieve this goal. > > The meeting assented to this summary. > > Remco van Mook noted that it is important to move quickly ? as long > as there is a working group in place by the next meeting, he is happy > to take due consideration. > > There was an action item noted for the NCC to attach the draft to the > task force web page. > > Paul Rendek also noted that the NCC could put the document into Draft > RIPE Document form if this was requested, or there could be mailing > lists set up. Malcolm undertook to liaise with the NCC on format and > process; the existing mailing list is sufficient for the task force > itself, but he would consult the NCC on publishing the task force's > proposals to the wider community. > > The Chair asked for any other business; there being no further > comments he thanked all participants for their contribution and the > NCC for its support, and the session was closed. > > > From ripe-wgs.cs at schiefner.de Mon May 12 23:58:09 2008 From: ripe-wgs.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 23:58:09 +0200 Subject: [ec-tf] Re: [Fwd: ec-tf meeting minutes] In-Reply-To: <48241490.3000400@linx.net> References: <482328FC.70403@linx.net> <48241490.3000400@linx.net> Message-ID: <4828BD71.5080203@schiefner.de> Malcolm, all - Malcolm Hutty wrote: > The following is the draft formal minute of the the Taskforce meeting on > Monday. Many thanks to our scribe, Chris Buckridge, for keeping such > thorough meeting notes. as much as I am concerned, the minutes are an accurate reflection of our session on Monday. Best, -C.