RE: [anti-spam-wg] Non-cooperation of RIPE ISP in investigating report of email abuse (spam)

  • To: "John Draper" lists@localhost, "der Mouse" mouse@localhost
  • From: "brett" brett@localhost
  • Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:45:50 +0100


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] On > Behalf Of John Draper > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:02 AM > To: der Mouse > Subject: Re: [anti-spam-wg] Non-cooperation of RIPE ISP in investigating > report of email abuse (spam) > > der Mouse wrote: > > > > You are *exactly* the right people to report it to. That you are > > determined to wash your hands of the responsibility that goes with your > > authority is in large part why RIPE space is so abuse-ridden; that > > ICANN and the IANA are letting you get away with it is why it has > > continued that way for so long (and, because they do the same nothing > > with other RIRs, why the rest of the world has similar problems). > > > > /~\ The ASCII der Mouse > > \ / Ribbon Campaign > > X Against HTML mouse@localhost > > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > > > > > > I totally agree - when I was running SpamCrunchers, I very aggressively > went after RIPE, APNIC and bitterly complained about some of their > database updating policies. Eventually, after really hitting them hard > with "Bogus Whois" complaints, I started to get SOME action, but that > was back in 2004. No telling HOW irresponsible they are now, and it > almost gives me the impression they RIPE and others, are on the take and > helping spammers. C'mon do you seriously believe that these people could be on the take or can I hear the sound of a troll from the bridge I am stood on :) I can't speak for APNIC but I can tell you that the RIPE NCC are most definitley not in league with spammmers. > > Upstream providers can also help identify the spammers if one comes > across a BOGUS WHOIS. I have UNIX Daemons that automatically deal with > BOGUS WHOIS complaining, as it automatically checks every 3 weeks, > after a 3rd time, it automatically sends another BOGUS WHOIS > complaint... then sends one to the upstream provider. > > I definately agree that RIPE, ARIN, and other IP Block assignment > agencies HAVE to take a good part of the responsibility for making it > very difficult to track down hostile traffic. > Yes I agree the RIPE community (that's us folks) should bear the responsibility for not putting a policy in place that tells the RIPE NCC what to do. > WHOIS queries were designed to allow security folks to track down > network problems of all sorts, and they (RIPE, ARIN) have the > responsibiity to keep their data updated. So they should be part of the > solution instead of being part of the problem. > Aha another common mis-conception AFAIK the data within the RIPE whois database does not belong to the RIPE NCC and hence they cannot change it without express instruction from the RIPE community. I do concede that this (and some of the other things mentioned within this thread) may be a broken model, but that is the model we currently have if the communtiy is unhappy about that model they of course have the power to change it. Brett